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Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:25 am to
Posted by dragginass
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 7:25 am to
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But with all that said, I learned a TREMENDOUS amount listening to Kirk’s early podcasts.


I started at Ep1 last year and I'm on Ep180 or so now. Lots of really good information, and you can actually hear how he changes strategies over time (not selling premium during low IV). He's deep into the automated bot thing though, and I just have no interest...at least yet.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 11:58 am to
Got into the VXX puts. 50 delta
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 2:47 pm to
Anyone buying or selling KRE options today?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:41 pm to
It’s got some juicy IV and percentile. But no, not playing with the bank related equities or options right now. I’m just a fortunate KBWB long term (bag) holder.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 3:48 pm to
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Got into the VXX puts. 50 delta


Long puts? If so, I’d say you did well today.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/10/23 at 4:02 pm to
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I started at Ep1 last year and I'm on Ep180 or so now. Lots of really good information, and you can actually hear how he changes strategies over time (not selling premium during low IV). He's deep into the automated bot thing though, and I just have no interest...at least yet.


I used to listen to his podcast on the way to work. Some I’ve listened to probably 5-6 times, and then I’d go back and re-listen when I could take notes. If there was something that didn’t click with me, I’d email him and ask questions.

As for the bots, I agree. While I like the idea of being as mechanical as possible, I don’t care to turn things over to the machines quite yet.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 3/11/23 at 12:31 pm to
Yes, long VXX puts on 7% + days is a great strategy in general . I'll post backtest results later
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38305 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 5:56 pm to
Ok boys, I'm ready to short some bank stocks.

I haven't traded options in 10 years. Lead me in the right direction. Already have my approved from Schwab to trade.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21250 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 7:54 pm to
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I'm ready to short some bank stocks.
That door appears to have been closed.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:56 pm to
While that door may seemed to have closed, I saw several very large put buys at the end of last week on every bank you can think of when the news was coming out. This entire situation could last longer than a couple of days, these events typically have trickle effects. Time will tell, but the big, easy money has likely already been made.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:35 am to
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I'm ready to short some bank stocks.


Can’t say whether or not you’d make money, depending on what options strategy you go with. But the train is already in motion… so implied volatility is spiking as measured by the VIX (up 17% as I type). So if you go long on puts, you’ll pay dearly for those now. As long as you’re directionally correct and have your timing right, you *might* make serious bank (as long as volatility stays on your side).

There is most definitely some major money to be made here… on both the long and short side of options, depending on underlying choice. Picking the correct strategy(s) and expiration is difficult now, because there’s massive confusion still.

Me, I’m really looking at short dated, short options strategies now (even more than usual), because I’m seeing the herd running scared - some are stampeding. With soaring IV and premiums, I can potentially make in a week what usually takes a month (as long as I stay far enough from the flame).
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26654 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:57 am to
Ok so buying 50-delta VXX puts, 30 days expiration, on a 7%+ spike day has yielded the following over the last five years:

21 Wins
10 Losses
28.2% average return on risked capital
Holding until expiration does just as well as any take profit strategy.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 10:00 am to
KRE Friday was a decent chance
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5403 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 10:09 am to
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KRE Friday was a decent chance


I went long ALLY calls(in a spread) this morning. I know the risks. I will give the trade a long time to work.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 10:52 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26654 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 10:25 am to
Sold SCHW 40 weekly puts for $103 credit.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21250 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 11:37 am to
Sold a $4 Put on NYCB for .25 (4/21)
Safe and small.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26654 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:59 pm to
Bought it back for quick 16% gain.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:28 pm to
Sold my KRE put for +70%
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26654 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:35 pm to
Just a note on buying VXX puts: Buying 30 days till expiration is CRUCIAL. The 7 day calls are actually a losing proposition. Have to give it time for things to calm down.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:03 pm to
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(as long as I stay far enough from the flame).


I might throw some smallish 1DTE filler trades in on SPX as the week plays out, but I went in heavy on SPX short ICs and some put verticals while the VIX was spiking today - touched a bit over 30 at one point. Couldn’t resist the massive premiums while the crowd was running for the hills. By 4:01 on Friday we’ll find out if I’m the windshield… or the bug.
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