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re: Options premiums plays
Posted on 2/26/26 at 11:42 am to TigahsOnTop
Posted on 2/26/26 at 11:42 am to TigahsOnTop
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During a real sell-off, you would get completely wiped out. Luckily we haven't seen one since you started using this strategy, but don't mistake that for "limiting downside risk".
I simply wouldnt trade and close any open position I have, again limits any long term downside to this...something you dont have just buying and holding and then suddenly need the money after big downturn.
I closed a position last year that was down over $300 on the day, so yes, certainly have seen a sell off in a day before on this.
During this week
The S&P lost 10% in 2 days there, I chose not to trade during that week knowing the extreme IV/volatility of what was going on. My big loss came the following week, but it was $300, not 10% of our savings (or $6k-$7k), vaporized.
Again this is NOT long term investment account money, it's savings, meant to stay liquid, and continually go up with maybe small down swings in very short periods. If things get crazy, i just sit on the sideline and collect the interest, once its not as crazy, sell way out the money put options to gamblers effectively.
Again, also well aware the S&P has rallied a ton since April of last year when that happened and "I would have been better off just leaving it in the S&P 500". I am purposely limiting my upside to also limit my downside to collect way more than a typical "savings" account would but keep it liquid without any big long term losses when we could need that money at any point.
Also I've sold options for the better part of 5+ years now, well through big downturns like 2022, this strategy is just newer with XSP as its a newer index (on RH at least) where premiums are taxed 60% long term which I am taking advantage of for tax purposes.
This post was edited on 2/26/26 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 2/26/26 at 1:30 pm to TigahsOnTop
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This is all just gambling. "I asked chatgpt if I should pick red or black on roulette".
For all of you options bros, compare your performance selling covered calls to the performance of the underlying equities if you bought and hold. You'll quickly realize this "income" you are generating is just capping your upside.
No. No it's not. At all.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 1:43 pm to TigahsOnTop
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If you own the index, you get unlimited upside and can ride out drawdowns over time. If you sell 0DTE puts, your upside is capped at the tiny premium
No. It's just wrong. I own many stocks that I sell options on every week and have for well over a decade.
One is AMZN purchased at $104. I sell calls weekly and have from the start. I still own it. So, no it's not capping anything. On the few times I have been assigned, I simply sold puts with the idea of purchasing at the assigned price.
Posted on 2/26/26 at 2:27 pm to BCreed1
Thunderbird's strategy makes sense to me. Still hate the framing of a savings account, but he at least understands he is capping upside (which he has since explained is intentional). Totally understand the logic. Interesting strategy, but as he mentioned, it only works if you stop trading during downturns (assuming you are good enough at guessing downturns). And he has done it for 6 years, which doesn't include any true sell-offs (with the exception of covid, which is still not extreme).
This, on the other hand, is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are doing. Yes it is capping upside.
When you sell a call, you’re literally selling someone else the right to your stock above the strike. If AMZN rips $20 past your strike, you don’t get that move (the call buyer does). The premium doesn’t change that.
“Just selling puts to get it back” doesn’t undo the missed upside. You already gave it up.
Covered calls = long stock minus upside convexity, plus small income. That’s fine, but it is a cap by definition. Extensive research to back this
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No. It's just wrong. I own many stocks that I sell options on every week and have for well over a decade.
One is AMZN purchased at $104. I sell calls weekly and have from the start. I still own it. So, no it's not capping anything. On the few times I have been assigned, I simply sold puts with the idea of purchasing at the assigned price.
This, on the other hand, is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are doing. Yes it is capping upside.
When you sell a call, you’re literally selling someone else the right to your stock above the strike. If AMZN rips $20 past your strike, you don’t get that move (the call buyer does). The premium doesn’t change that.
“Just selling puts to get it back” doesn’t undo the missed upside. You already gave it up.
Covered calls = long stock minus upside convexity, plus small income. That’s fine, but it is a cap by definition. Extensive research to back this
Posted on 2/26/26 at 3:09 pm to TigahsOnTop
Obviously it caps the upside but if you can generate income along the way selling out of the money calls at a price you'd be happy to sell the stock for anyway to generate "rent" from your holdings.
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