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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:34 pm to
Got it.

Looks like it's time to fire up a spreadsheet to keep better track of this
Posted by SoFresh
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:34 pm to
That's what I figured. This is the American government after all.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

I guess my question would be, are any gains taxable prior to being withdrawn from the exchange?


My understanding after reading the IRS report is that any conversion from a cryptocurrency to USD is a taxable event, no matter if the funds are still being held in an exchange.

Whether USD=USDtether, that I'm not sure about.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:43 pm to
CNBC just spent a 10 minute segments all about Crypto, mainly bitcoin. They mentioned Ether a couple times as a competitor and directed everyone to Coinbase to purchase their Cryptos
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:46 pm to
IRS: Cryptocurrency Guidance

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The notice provides that virtual currency is treated as property for U.S. federal tax purposes. General tax principles that apply to property transactions apply to transactions using virtual currency. Among other things, this means that:
Wages paid to employees using virtual currency are taxable to the employee, must be reported by an employer on a Form W-2, and are subject to federal income tax withholding and payroll taxes.
Payments using virtual currency made to independent contractors and other service providers are taxable and self-employment tax rules generally apply. Normally, payers must issue Form 1099.
The character of gain or loss from the sale or exchange of virtual currency depends on whether the virtual currency is a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer.
A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.


IRS Notice 2014-21

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For federal tax purposes, virtual currency is treated as property. General tax principles applicable to property transactions apply to transactions using virtual currency.


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The basis of virtual currency that a taxpayer receives as payment for goods or services in Q&A-3 is the fair market value of the virtual currency in U.S. dollars as of the date of receipt.


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Yes. If the fair market value of property received in exchange for virtual currency exceeds the taxpayer’s adjusted basis of the virtual currency, the taxpayer has taxable gain. The taxpayer has a loss if the fair market value of the property received is less than the adjusted basis of the virtual currency.


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The character of the gain or loss generally depends on whether the virtual currency is a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. A taxpayer generally realizes capital gain or loss on the sale or exchange of virtual currency that is a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. For example, stocks, bonds, and other investment property are generally capital assets. A taxpayer generally realizes ordinary gain or loss on the sale or exchange of virtual currency that is not a capital asset in the hands of the taxpayer. Inventory and other property held mainly for sale to customers in a trade or 4 business are examples of property that is not a capital asset.


Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:47 pm to
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and directed everyone to Coinbase to purchase their Cryptos


oh lawd
Posted by tigrbabe08
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:47 pm to
So is Coinbase responsible for sending out forms at tax time showing how much you gained? or is this something we're supposed to keep track of ourselves? I can't imagine "self-reporting" is looked highly upon by the IRS.

I don't know shite about accounting so, sorry for the n00b question
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

Idk. My address was created instantly

Transfer took about 30 minutes

it's strange. my BTC address was created instantly and the ETH just won't create
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:04 pm to
Gigantic sell wall at 200 right now on Gemini. almost 3000 ETH for sale @200.00
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:04 pm to
Traditional stock brokers are required.

I'm not sure where cb fits into that in 2017. By next year I'm sure we can see some stricter policies
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:09 pm to
damn i may need to sell my stock on CB now and wait a few hours. i'll still have a profit of like 4.5%
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:20 pm to
Gemini has Limit ordering.

This is a no-brainer. All in with them now.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:23 pm to
Just registered there today also. Are you verified yet?

Gemini's platform looks supreme. Just waiting to get verified. I will probably keep a core holding in CB, but Gemini will be my main trading platform now. Man, it took everything I had in me to enter basically my identity, bank account information, SSN AND send a picture of my DL. I like to think I'm pretty careful and aware on the internet, but damn, I threw all of that caution to the wind here.
This post was edited on 5/25/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:24 pm to
Not yet.
Posted by tigrbabe08
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:25 pm to
any way to move my ETH from Coinbase to Gemini without incurring fees on either end?
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Gigantic sell wall at 200 right now on Gemini. almost 3000 ETH for sale @200.00


There is a ton of sell orders right after 200 as well. This will cause a price crash, correct?
Posted by tigrbabe08
Member since Apr 2017
219 posts
Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:43 pm to
Possibly, but I'm hoping the Asian markets wake up in a few hours and start buying like crazy.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:50 pm to
No, it will just be tough to break past $200.

People can also cancel those orders once they see the price ticking closer to $200 so a crash shouldn't happen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 5:52 pm to
i'd imagine being actively focused and selling at 197-199 may be wise if there is a massive selloff at 200 looming
Posted by mb810
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/17 at 6:51 pm to
Can you run Gemini from mobile? CB can suck one
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