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re: Inflation hits 9.1%. Update: Wholesale 11.3%

Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:39 pm to
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Seeing some significant price drops already.


Wait til after the next hike.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with folks who bought over the last 3 or so years. While interest was super low, they paid a premium on asking price. How many were banking on the market continuing apace and selling after another year or so and making a handsome profit? How many are going to have to face holding a house they never intended to keep vs taking a loss? How many were banking on that payday and didn't have anything put back just in case?



Posted by sawtooth
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 3:08 am to
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They have 1/2 a generation of retirees and future retirees, including themselves, that they have to consider, too, not just those of us with 20-40 more years in the market.


I’m pretty sure the Fed’s purpose in life is not having to protect people’s retirement. They should have let things correct themselves back in 2008 but the banks were “too big to fail”.

It’s time to pop this bubble before it gets any larger.

quote:

The Fed provides the country with a safe, flexible, and stable monetary and financial system. The Fed's main duties include conducting national monetary policy, supervising and regulating banks, maintaining financial stability, and providing banking services.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:32 am to
I am/was about to put in an offer on a new construction…. Will be finished in 2-3 months.

Considering locking the rate and putting down the 2k earnest, knowing I may be walking away when the time comes to close if the market crashes and they won’t renegotiate the price.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:59 am to
Oh that's probably a huge chunk of what's happening. I'm seeing some +/- $50k drops. Some have been gradual to add to that and some have been big cuts.

Some a-hole in Old Metairie bought a house in 2019 for $740,000. Didn't list major renovations in the description if they did them. Listed for $1.4 initially and now down to $1,275,000. Some people lost their fricking minds with home valuations. And all the bathrooms upstairs need gut jobs. Just the downstairs is nice.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:19 am to
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We're looking right now, were just quoted 6% 30-year fixed and we both have excellent credit scores.


Very good rate historically. Don’t let the last 15 years of poor federal decisions cloud your judgement. We should stay at or above that rate indefinitely to encourage saving.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 7:20 am
Posted by thelawnwranglers
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:41 am to
PPI hot

Assuming CPI trails PPI?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:19 am to
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I’m pretty sure the Fed’s purpose in life is not having to protect people’s retirement. They should have let things correct themselves back in 2008 but the banks were “too big to fail”.

I have a ton of runway so not in the “protecting retirement” group - but sabotaging a generation’s retirement funds would have dire effects on the future of our generation. If we sabotage their retirement funds then we’ll end up paying to take care of them, and they’ll stay in jobs too long and ruin the labor market
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:23 am to
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Inflation hit hard at the wholesale level in June, as producer prices surged a near-record amount from a year ago due to a big jump in energy costs, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Thursday.

The producer price index, a measure of the prices received for final demand products, increased 11.3% from a year ago, the highest reading since the record 11.6% in March.


More good news this morning
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:13 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?

Why all of these gradual half measures?


What they're doing now versus something like you ask about is the difference between landing a plane a little aggressively and just going nose-first into the tarmac.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:35 am to
With Wholesale being the highest since March, you have to think that is going to offset the gas decreases this month.

Prob come in similarly in August for the CPI.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:04 am to
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With Wholesale being the highest since March, you have to think that is going to offset the gas decreases this month. Prob come in similarly in August for the CPI.
But like March, both the increase in CPI and PPI are correlated with historically large increases in energy prices. Core PPI actually came on lower than expected, so I don’t think this will have as much downstream impact of the energy increases later on since it’s happening concurrently.
Posted by LesMilesNoMoe
El Paso
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:17 am to
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just bought a BBQ sandwich, fries, slaw, and coke for $17. Jesus.


Meh, my vienna sausage in a can and bread for lunch cost me $2.00. You have to get smart with your food budget.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:37 am to
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With Wholesale being the highest since March, you have to think that is going to offset the gas decreases this month.

Prob come in similarly in August for the CPI.


Absolutely. I'm already guessing July will come in around 9.3%-9.4% with August remaining around that point.

The reason I think August holds steady is that the one-two punch at the end of July (from the Fed raising rates another 3/4 and the advanced Q2 numbers showing we are officially in a recession) is going to cause many businesses to shite themselves and start retracting. This means rising jobless claims but also less spending (especially since many have already been hitting the credit cards pretty hard in order to maintain their spending habits throughout the inflation we've already seen) so inventories should catch up.

There's still a LOT of things which could come into play though (Russia expands its war to include a NATO/EU country, or calls it off altogether, Biden puts even more (or shocks everyone by reducing) restrictions on domestic O&G, etc).
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:43 am to
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Core PPI actually came on lower than expected, so I don’t think this will have as much downstream impact of the energy increases later on since it’s happening concurrently.


I'm not as optimistic. There's a cumulative impact which increases the longer energy prices remain high. Businesses (and consumers) can weather a month or three of higher than normal prices at the pump, but a year or more where they are almost constantly increasing? The longer it goes on, the more of that extra cost goes to the consumer.

While those pump prices are dropping, there's no guarantee they will continue to do so (one can continue to hope, though) and those will be offset some by the steeply rising electricity prices we're seeing now (which also has that cumulative impact I mentioned earlier, especially when pump prices have been high for so long and still are).
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 11:58 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?

Why all of these gradual half measures?
the global elite and political class prefer inflation to depression
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:01 pm to
And just saw a flash that jobless claims are highest since November... Didn't realize that data came out today too
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