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I like to invest in companies I pay money to.

Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69071 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:32 pm
I have been buying a lot of stocks from companies that I pay bills to. Entergy for one has brought steady returns.

Att has been good too.

Of course I'm playing the Workhorse game too but my portfolio is full of places I pay monthly.
Posted by ODP
Conroe
Member since Oct 2015
1938 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:36 pm to
mmmmmk...
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:39 pm to
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Entergy for one has brought steady returns.


This is a good buy. They had a Beta lower than 1 before the crash in March and then a Beta above 1 in the immediate aftermath, which made no sense. If they lose a huge chunk of their revenue due to COVID, it will simply be reallocated across their customer base the next time they have a rate case. Very bullish on Entergy.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:47 pm to
Also, I can just about justify an investment in AT&T using one of the most conservative valuation methodologies on the planet alone: the Dividend Discount Model. But, and this is a big BUT, that’s assuming they don’t cut the divvy. If they keep or raise the divvy, it looks like a solid buy.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4086 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:56 pm to
Sold 28 puts. Apart from a div slash, I’d be quite happy at that price.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69071 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:57 pm to
Sorry had a longer post planned then my food arrived quickly. Messed up my op. Lol


I'll detail it better. It mashes sense to invest in places you pay. I also hold stock on my bank.
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
11864 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:17 pm to
I think a solid of people invest like this in some form. I am sure there are a ton of people that bought apple, amazon etc. because they used and liked their product.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35086 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:21 pm to
It's not a bad strategy. I know investing in BangBros really takes some of the sting out of that line item in the credit card statement.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:21 pm to
What kind of expiration for those puts? Just curious as I have been looking into options (selling puts and covered calls).
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:36 pm to
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What kind of expiration for those puts? Just curious as I have been looking into options (selling puts and covered calls).


Depending on how you invest, this is often a sound strategy (assuming you own the underlying, which is what the poster means by "covered"). Consider this scenario:

1. I own stock XYZ with a 5% dividend yield. If that yield were ever to drop to 4%, I'd have to sell the stock because I need in excess of 4% worth of income to fund my lifestyle spending in retirement and I could easily find other options which pay >4% for comparable risk.

2. XYZ currently trades at $100, meaning it pays a dividend of $100 x 5% = $5. A 4% yield would equate to a stock price of $5 / 4% = $125.

3. Based on this, I know that if the stock goes to $125 and the dividend isn't raised, I'm going to have no choice but to sell the stock. In other words, my capital appreciation upside is capped. Yet, if I buy a stock without selling a covered call against it, one of the things I'm theoretically paying for is the potential for unlimited upside. This means I'm paying for something (unlimited upside) that I'm not getting (since I'm a forced seller at $125).

4. It makes sense for me to sell covered calls at $125 to rectify this situation. Let someone else compensate you for the potential unlimited upside that you yourself aren't able to enjoy.

You could apply the same logic to "price targets."
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4086 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:42 pm to
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What kind of expiration for those puts? Just curious as I have been looking into options (selling puts and covered calls).


These are Aug 21s. I sold them several weeks back. 45 days to expiration is my typical entry point. If you have a target price in mind and you wouldn’t mind owning the stock, use that as your strike price = cash covered put.

If you don’t particularly care to own the stock (but would if it’s put to you), use the deltas/probabilities to set your strike price to lessen the chance that it’ll be exercised.

T is a fairly low IV stock (not the best money maker or use of capital), so the 28 just represents what I consider to be an attractive entry price for an *investment*, not a trade.

Hope that helps a little.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27822 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:45 pm to
I bought docusign based on the uptick in use by my company.
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 3:59 pm to
I thought this was a good idea in January and February when I was flying and staying in hotels constantly to buy $DAL and $HLT. Did not work out as planned!
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

Hope that helps a little.


It does help. You know with options trading there are so many...options. I have been looking into the simple strategies I mentioned but it was really hard to try and determine a good expiration date to balance the value vs risk. I have seen many your posts regarding options over the years so it was definitely insightful to see the timeframe you look at (at least for this strategy).

Thanks.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 12:09 am to
Entergy is unique because it has large portions of its total revenue from industrial and commercial customers relative to other utilities, and residential usage isn’t as critical to their profitability. Entergy also has agreements to sell all of its unregulated nuclear plants by 2022, and build 8,000 MW of new generation capacity in its next 5-year capital plan. From all these good plans, they’ve promised to grow earnings AND dividends by 5-7% each per year going forward over the same horizon. (These items are all in the earnings call announcements and/or public filings.)
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
5835 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 6:21 am to
I like to invest in companies that are consistent revenue and margin generators that are leaders in their marketplace.

Visa
Home Depot
Apple
Microsoft
Scotts Miracle Grow
Southwest Airlines (covid notwithstanding)
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:32 am to
That’s why I invest in Amazon. Get a little bit back because I’m pretty sure my wife accounts for a percentage or two of their sales revenue
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19239 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:39 am to
quote:

'll detail it better. It mashes sense to invest in places you pay. I also hold stock on my bank


What’s the logic?
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:10 am to
Yeah, it's pretty impressive they've been able to maintain their EPS guidance throughout all of this. As you stated, they are much more leveraged to C&I customers than many utilities and the trend throughout COVID has been an increase in residential load and a decrease in C&I load. You can see that trend intensifying going from Entergy's Q1 y/y weather-adjusted sales volumes to their Q2 y/y weather-adjusted sales volumes, with the net effect being just a 0.8% reduction in weather-adjusted volumes YTD. I'll be looking for an improvement in Q3 vs Q2 y/y weather-adjusted sales volumes as confirmation that the worst impacts from COVID were in Q2.

In fact, having seen now how stable their business has held up during a freak event like a shutdown of the economy, I think it makes sense to complement an underlying long position with some leverage exposure via options. As I'm highly skeptical of the broader market at current levels, my bias is more towards selling puts than buying calls, with the intention of holding any shares put to me in the event of a market sell-off for the long-term.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7904 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:01 am to
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