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re: How do you handle your HSA?

Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:12 am to
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9356 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:12 am to
I keep $1000 in available "cash" that can be debited for expenses (I hardly ever use it). So, anything I contribute is automatically invested.
Posted by Pipedream
Member since Nov 2019
1231 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:16 am to
Currently young and dumb so I invest it all
Posted by BigOrangeVols
Knoxville
Member since Jul 2015
3067 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:45 am to
I'm still about a year out from hitting that mark but that is my plan when I do.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:06 am to
quote:

I never was able to make sense of getting a high deductible hsa plan. Maybe someone can explain how these plans are better than the $300 deductible PPO plan I have


1. You can pay medical expenses with money that's never been taxed.

2. In my case, my insurance is $60/month. The cheapest non HDP is like $150/month. I haven't used a single dollar from my HSA since I opened it 18 months ago so I'm really only "out" about $600, or the cash flow difference between what I put monthly into the HSA and the premium difference between the plans.

3. The money is triple tax advantaged at retirement
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:12 am to
I guess with a wife and several kids I wouldn’t feel comfortable with that sort of plan unless I had a nice bit saved in that plan. In the interim I’d be treading water if an accident occurred
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1635 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:37 am to
I try to keep double my out of pocket in cash. My reasoning has to do with timing. If a family member gets sick in December it can burn that years out of pocket and I would not have a cushion in January when out of pocket calculations re-set.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:46 am to
One thing to check is the max out of pocket for each plan. So for my plans the max out of pocket is lower on the high deductible plan versus the low deductible plan. So if things go very south (cancer or whatever) I would ultimately spend less on the high deductible plan (not even including the premium difference).

It is also important to keep in mind the difference between the premiums in relation to the deductible difference. Years down the road the HSA investment will be returning enough to cover the deductible difference without even touching the contributions. I also love the idea of it being used in retirement.

It is a no brainer for me because I don't have many medical expenses right now. I would reevaluate if I start incurring more expenses. I only wish I had switched sooner to the high deductible plan. It is important to note that my kids and my wife are on her plan which is not a high deductible.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to look into this when annual enrollment comes up.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24139 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:34 am to
I try to never spend HSA funds and consider it some of the only income I will ever earn that is never taxed.

I actually owe a thanks to this board because there was a post a year or so ago that influenced my thinking. Specifically, it made me realize that it’s better to pay with other funds if you have the ability and let it grow tax free, serving as another retirement account.
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3921 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:35 am to
I have a wife and kids and we are on a high deductible plan with HSA. I love the certainty of it. Once i hit my deductible, i'm 100% covered. With kids, I hit deductible every year, so I can pretty easily budget for health expenses each year. I max out the HSA and pull out to cover expenses as needed (not always). Not currently invested, but i intend to once the balance minimum hits a couple thousand.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:42 am to
quote:

I try to never spend HSA funds and consider it some of the only income I will ever earn that is never taxed.

I actually owe a thanks to this board because there was a post a year or so ago that influenced my thinking. Specifically, it made me realize that it’s better to pay with other funds if you have the ability and let it grow tax free, serving as another retirement account.


I think I'm going to set it to make automatic transfers at $3k for now. That will put about 2k into investments now and keep growing with contributions. I have the cash to pay for any medical expenses were I to have them, I'd only need to HSA for a true emergency.

You can move investments back into the cash account, i assume? It would just technically use principal first to avoid any tax triggering transactions?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:50 am to
Read your post wrong
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:51 am
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 10:58 am to
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You can move investments back into the cash account, i assume?


Yes, and you can pay out of pocket and reimburse yourself so I don't see the timing issue that big of a deal.

quote:

It would just technically use principal first to avoid any tax triggering transactions?


The beauty of it is that nothing gets taxed if it is used for qualifying expenses. Contributions go in pre-tax, everything grows tax free, and any withdrawals (contributions or earnings) are not taxed (all assuming you pull the money out for qualifying expenses). That is why it is considered triple tax advantaged which is better than most/if not all other investment options.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 11:06 am to
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The beauty of it is that nothing gets taxed if it is used for qualifying expenses. Contributions go in pre-tax, everything grows tax free, and any withdrawals (contributions or earnings) are not taxed (all assuming you pull the money out for qualifying expenses). That is why it is considered triple tax advantaged which is better than most/if not all other investment options.


Yeah, I get that. Specifically what I'm asking is say I move 2k from the investment account back into the HSA cash account to meet my OOP max. I have no reason to believe this would cause any capital gains triggering, just want to confirm.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 11:07 am
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 11:10 am to
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I fully fund but never use. It’s tax free in and tax free out. Would rather let it grow because I’m sure I’ll need it down the road.


I try to tell my wife this and she still insists on spending out of it. I’d much rather pay out of pocket right now and have this thing continue to accumulate growth tax free.
Posted by austin2015
Member since Feb 2015
560 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 10:54 pm to
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consider it some of the only income I will ever earn that is never taxed.


Never thought of it that way
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14959 posts
Posted on 11/11/20 at 11:26 pm to
I put the maximum contribution in each year and kick myself for not doing this the first three years I owned it, though cash was much tighter back then.
I keep my max out of pocket in cash in my checking account.
I invest 100% of my HSA money.
I do not pay medical expenses from the account and have no intention to start doing so anytime soon, barring some major changes in my life.
I keep all my healthcare receipts. There is not currently a requirement that receipts be redeemed within any certain time frame after the expense occurred. This is a pretty crucial part to pay attention to over time. It may change.
In retirement, I'll cash out money I have receipts for capital gains and income-tax free (AFTER getting a deduction on the way in).
Money I don't have receipts for currently is pegged to grow and can currently be treated essentially like a traditional IRA.

I am currently using Lively who uses TD Ameritrade for their brokerage accounts.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10560 posts
Posted on 11/12/20 at 1:19 am to
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I try to never spend HSA funds and consider it some of the only income I will ever earn that is never taxed.



Bingo. We have two HSAs and we max. We don’t touch that money. I understand my deductible and MOOP of $4,000 is rough but I rather keep the money invested and rolling.

That’s going to be an extra $600-800k at retirement. Worth it. Never touch it.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 1:20 am
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10560 posts
Posted on 11/12/20 at 1:21 am to
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I keep all my healthcare receipts. There is not currently a requirement that receipts be redeemed within any certain time frame after the expense occurred. This is a pretty crucial part to pay attention to over time. It may change.


Boom boom boom. May you say way-oh
Posted by StreamsOfWhiskey
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Jun 2013
580 posts
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:14 am to
We fund the HSA with the full amount, which I believe is $7200 this year. We have a sweep option with BenefitWallet that sweeps any amount above the $1000 minimum into whichever funds I’ve chosen. If you can help it, let that money grow and never touch it. We used to reimburse ourselves often, but my financial advisor advised against it.
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