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House note vs car note

Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2035 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:03 pm
My wife (no pics) is in the market for a new vehicle. She brought up a plan that I'm trying hard to find the holes. So I wanted to run it by the smart folks on the MTB to get your view.

Our only debt is our mortgage. We have 6yrs left on our house at 3.125% where we owe about 80k. Her idea is to pay of the house now with current savings and finance 100% of the new vehicle (minus payed off trade-in) on a 0% loan for whatever term is required.

Would you take that deal if your wife brought it to the table?

EDIT: We're in our forever home and don't ever plan on moving.

This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:09 pm to
She has a good head on her shoulders baw. Go with it.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12610 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:35 pm to
Finance 100% of a brand new car? You’ll be upside down so quick.

I know you didn’t ask for my opinion on buying vehicles but I just don’t get the obsession with new vehicles. They're too damn expensive. Their values drop like rocks. They fall apart, get dinged/dented in no time. The technology gets dated, etc. All really quickly. By the time you’re close to paying it off, you’re sick of it and the process repeats itself.

At the end of the day, the way I look at it is: vehicles are depreciating tools meant to get you safely from A to B. I don’t want to pay a note on that tool.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:46 pm to
There’s a lot of potential questions with this plan.

Is the vehicle ~$80k?

What’s that $80k payoff do to your savings?

Why not get the car at 0% financing and continue as-is, knowing you have the savings to cover any expenses/notes/etc.? Both rates are low. Basically, why is this a trade-off question?

And ultimately, as the other poster mentioned, if this is her idea, and it makes financial sense in terms of savings/payoff and it’s just a matter of this vs that, GO WITH HER PLAN.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12305 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

By the time you’re close to paying it off, you’re sick of it and the process repeats itself.


Some people hold cars for 15-20 years and barely drive them and don’t plan on buying another for a long time. Maybe you drive 20k miles a year of average cars that hit that 100k fix everything bump. Maybe you’ve just had a bad experience. People flipping cars every couple of years? Sure I see your point financially there but everyone has a different goal with different levels of driving.
Posted by jwn0002
Member since Oct 2019
29 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:55 pm to
My opinion (not a financial advisor) you have 6 years left on the mortgage. Which means you have paid mostly interest and have almost all principle left for the remaining 6 years. Assuming a 20-30 year loan term. I wouldn’t pay it off now as the interest savings can’t be much.

I’m also going to assume that in order to get 0% finance the note term is probably short like 36 months so disregard the upside down comment because you will be paying it off so quickly that you won’t be upside down after the first 6 months.
The other poster had the best question. What does this do to your savings? Personally I would take the 0% finance and not pay off the house. And put that 80k into your investments.
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2035 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 6:13 pm to
The 80k would represent about 50% of our current cash savings. We recently sold a rental so that’s the reason for our abnormally high to us savings. The mortgage is a 15yr note that we originally took out in 08 but refinanced twice since the purchase. We like the psychological effect of having little to no debt. I’m mid 40’s, wife early 40’s and I’d love to leave the rat race between 55-60. Currently in my 24th yr with the same company.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 6:13 pm to
If you can afford the car note at 0% for whatever the term is, then just get the car. I bought Tacoma last May at 0%/60 mths. Financed 100% plus TT&L, so no out of pocket, just signed papers and left with the truck.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
295 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 6:27 pm to
This is a historic time in the car industry. I'm normally not a proponent of 0 down or even using OEM financing, because they usually don't let you have the rebates WITH the special rates, but things are different now and probably for a couple more months at least. Now they are letting you have rebates AND the special 0% rates, so its a great time to buy if you're going to do it. I bought last summer for that reason. I was going to have to have one more car anyway, might as well not tie up capital in one. Looking at the five year cash flow, I couldn't make a used car make sense.

WRT to the mortgage, do you need the interest deduction on your taxes? Might want to take a good look at what it does to your tax status, though as another poster said, you're paying mostly principal at this point.

Is there another option that gets you better returns? I hear some cat on here called Ancient Tiger can make you some bank in penny stocks!
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2035 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 7:07 pm to
Appreciate everybody’s input. My wife and I try to live below our means so that we can duck out sooner rather than later, preferably on our own terms. I bought a new truck in 2016 but kept my 03 Tahoe that now has 201,000 miles on it. My wife has never had a brand new car. And she makes way more than I do. But we try not to do stupid stuff with our money and I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something with this idea. We’re disciplined savers and probably wouldn’t be in this situation if we weren’t.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
1939 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 7:29 pm to
Couple thoughts. Do you get any tax savings from the mortgage? Also, mortgage rate is 3.125% and any financial advisor can average 6% annual return on that $80k.

What if you used the $80k to max out Roth contributions which would then give you more tax deductions?
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2035 posts
Posted on 2/28/21 at 7:44 pm to
Since the standard deduction increased, we no longer have enough deductions to itemize. We are over the income limits for the Roth but we need to be doing the backdoor. My company recently started offering a Roth 401k. Last yr I put about 8k of the max into the Roth 401k while the rest went into the pre-tax 401k. The wife and I both have been maxing our 401k’s since 2014 and barring any unforeseen health issues, should continue to do so for at least 8 more yrs for me and 13 more for her. I may also add the catch up amount in a few yrs if we can.

I’d like to park some money in the future in some 1-3 acre residential lots north of I-10 but the wife isn’t currently on board with that.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
1946 posts
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:12 am to
assuming the car note would be much lower than the house note, it seems like it wouldn't take long for you to recoup the 80k. i dont see you goin upside down on a car unless something bad happens. if you pay the house off and the car is the only thing you have i would assume you'd always stay ahead and pay it off before the 6 years. sounds like a good idea to me, but I'm no financial adviser. i dream of having no more mortgage to pay.
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