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re: House = (x)household income

Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:44 am to
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:44 am to
can someone get a little more elementary for me? what do you mean by 2 or 2.5x. or 25%. etc.

let's take this random situation for instance:

husband makes 150-200K (his income might vary due to sales, raises, etc)
wife currently makes a horses arse, but will be a practicing OBGYN in 10 months. however her practice will take a little time to develop. but after it does she can make good money, let's just use 200K for instance.
so 400K household income.

they have $900 in combined car note and $2,000 in her student loan payments monthly. (among all the other shenanigans life brings)
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:59 am to
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25-28% of take home pay...no longer than 15 years.


I concur.

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I see no reason why you cant stretch it a little if you find something you really like.


Maybe 30% if you have no other debt - but, then you can't put yourself in a bind later. And 30% is a lot of net pay. Right now, I'm right at 22%. When the current house is paid off, I'll actually be able to afford 2.5x the house I'm living in now - and pay it off in 15 years - staying within 28%.


Posted by Toula
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:01 am to
Two common ways to look at house price in relation to house hold income-times salary and percent of gross.

Household makes 200k in annual income, buys a 350K house. That's 1.5x.

Household makes 200K in annual income, has a monthly house note (principle, insurance, taxes) of 2,500. That's 15%.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:01 am to
The original discussion was based on purchase price relative to gross household income.

So, you make $100k a year and you have "3x" then your budget for houses is $300k.

Not really the best way to go about it, but I think that's what was asked. Its a decent ballpark if you are just beginning to look and haven't priced rates, etc. It's better to look at your net income divided by your mortgage payment, including taxes and insurance.
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:28 am to
gotcha, it was a lot simpler then how i was reading it
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:44 am to
If youre bringing in 400k as a family with no kids, I wouldnt even look at price tags. You can pretty much afford anything except those houses that really make you step back and say "damn thats got to be expensive" haha.

I dont usually inclide my wife's salary because I dont want her to have to work if she doesnt want too. So we're at about 2x my income. Includong her drops it down a good bit.
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:01 pm to
id love her not to work. but med school and residency aren't really quitable, and then she'll be an OBGYN. so we are playing it by ear.

we have a 5 month old, 2 car notes (trying to dump 1), and she has around $2,100 a month in student loan payments. and her income hasn't begun yet, and i'm not sure when it really will (1 year, 2 years, 3...)
i also want to have play money

so i'm just trying to be smart about it.

my biggest issue is the housing market in Lafayette is redonk for anything custom, or even half custom. and i refuse to be in some DR Horton shite.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:15 pm to
We are between 180 and 200 depending on bonuses etc. and are trying to knock out the wifes student loans as well (grad school added up quickly). I can max out 401k, pay 900 in car notes, all bills, 250 a week for daycare, etc, and swing a 315k house pretty easily. I'm sure we could cut back places and afford more. Thats all while trying to pay as close to 2k a month on her loans as possible. We're a little skewed on monthly due to crazy property taxes (like 800+ a month in taxes) in texas, but it evens out with no income tax.
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 12:26 pm to
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If youre bringing in 400k as a family with no kids, I wouldnt even look at price tags. You can pretty much afford anything except those houses that really make you step back and say "damn thats got to be expensive" haha.


I would disagree with that. You will find that the realtor and broker guy are going to try to steer you to the highest priced house, especially if you give no guidelines. Tell them your max, and stick to it. If you tell them your income is 400k, expect to see 1M+ houses

and honestly you need 20% down to get a jumbo loan.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Pilot Tiger
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:01 pm to
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If youre bringing in 400k as a family with no kids, I wouldnt even look at price tags. You can pretty much afford anything except those houses that really make you step back and say "damn thats got to be expensive" haha. I would disagree with that.
at 400k with no kids, I think we are assuming they are saving a good bit of money.

with 20% down you can basically afford anything
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:33 pm to
To me, anything much over 1MM is going to make me say "damn that's got to be expensive"

I would feel very comfortable purchasing a 750k home with a stable 400k income.

Now I ran the numbers on a million dollar house w/ a 30 mortgage and it wasn't insanely expensive. But if you tack on my property tax rate of 8.1%, it was quite funny to see it skyrocket. I couldn't afford that on a 400k budget for sure. But could probably swing it in Louisiana
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:51 pm to
the zillow calculator tells me some rediculous number like 1.3m, but fuuuuuck that.

i'm in the midst of trying to convince wife to start small and comfortable then move up after she gets established
Posted by Hawkeye95
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 1:54 pm to
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To me, anything much over 1MM is going to make me say "damn that's got to be expensive"


Right, but that is what a realtor is going to show you. We had that happen to us. We got approved for over a 1M, and the realtor would subtly just take us to nicer and nicer places.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:02 pm to
That's what we did and it's worked out well.

First house in early 20s was 2.5x and we upgraded a couple years after 1.5x.

Second and current house (mid 20s) was 2.5x and we are currently at 1.5x a few years later.

Now we are ready for that forever home and on pace to buy a 2.5x in 12-14 months. Which should then get to 1.5x in 3-5 years.

We've let our salary arch work in our favor in all these examples. The years at 1.5x have been key for both 1st and current homes. During those years we've been able to payoff student loans, purchase and payoff cars, and save up for down payments.

Every situation is different though, this is just what has worked for us.


Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 2:17 pm to
LOL @ Zillow's affordability calculator
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 3:56 pm to
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and honestly you need 20% down to get a jumbo loan.


No you don't, not even regular guys like you and me.

And being a doctor, she can get 100% financing at a rate guys like you or me can't sniff for ridiculous amounts of $.

If you're making 400k, 1M isn't a very big number. With taxes and insurance where I live on today's rate with a 30 year on 1M financed your at 5,250/mo roughly. At 400k taxed at 35% still bring home 21.5k/mo. Leaves you 16k/mo for all your other endeavors. I could swing it.

Edit - That $5250.00includes taxes and insurance

This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 4:08 pm to
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At 400k taxed at 35% still bring home 21.5k/mo. Leaves you 16k/mo for all your other endeavors. I could swing it.
Yeh I could make that work
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 5:15 pm to
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Yeh I could make that work


If I was freaking out over my 9%, I would completely flip over 15% of gross.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:48 am to
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If I was freaking out over my 9%, I would completely flip over 15% of gross.


Probably why I'll never be disgustingly wealthy. With my lifestyle & 200k/yr disposable income, the last thing on my mind is what % of my gross income is housing. I have more important things like fixing my mid-iron game at that point.
Posted by TexasTiger34
Austin, Kind of
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:39 am to
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We are between 180 and 200 depending on bonuses etc. and are trying to knock out the wifes student loans as well (grad school added up quickly). I can max out 401k, pay 900 in car notes, all bills, 250 a week for daycare, etc, and swing a 315k house pretty easily. I'm sure we could cut back places and afford more. Thats all while trying to pay as close to 2k a month on her loans as possible. We're a little skewed on monthly due to crazy property taxes (like 800+ a month in taxes) in texas, but it evens out with no income tax.



I'm in a very similar situation as you(if you include my wife's very good salary) but without student loans
my goal, however, is to try and afford everything on just my salary so that if one of us loses our job or we have a kid and we lose her income for a year or so, we'll still be fine.
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