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Help me with a real estate investment situation

Posted on 2/1/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 12:47 pm
I bought my Uncle's mobile home on a lot back in 2013 for $44K. It has rented every year since for $700/mo and is paid off. It's an older trailer (1980s) and needs significant work. The value is basically in the lot it sits on (60x150). Overall, it has been a solid investment.

I have a buyer interested right now wanting to write me a check for $60k. The plan would be to take that and roll it into another property purchase. The issue would be finding something else in this market.

My other option would be to demo the trailer and build a spec house on the lot to rent out or sell.

Thoughts?
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12305 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 12:59 pm to
How long can your buyer wait? Maybe give you a little time to find something so you can 1031 exchange it into the new investment if it’s qualifying.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 1:31 pm to
Spec home and GC it yourself.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9800 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:17 pm to
How much is the lot worth?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

How much is the lot worth?




30-35, MAYBE.

The value is in its cash flow, and this guy knows that.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2414 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:39 pm to
Location
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:08 pm to
Greater BR area
Posted by Wallace Ritchie
Des Moines, Iowa
Member since Oct 2021
492 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:32 pm to
I would take the $60 (or more) and move to your next investment. The lot likely is not worth $60k and it’s going to cost you money to demo/build or fix up the current structure.
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12449 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 3:40 pm to
This. A mobile home will always depreciate. Roll that money into something appreciating
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
3444 posts
Posted on 2/1/22 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

I would take the $60 (or more) and move to your next investment.



Same .


I’d probably put half of the $60k in REITs for exposure to real estate, and the other half in VTI or a similar broad market fund .
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20447 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 5:45 am to
I wouldn’t touch it personally OP unless you just want out. $8400/ year is 14% of $60k. Not sure what your legit expenses are, but that’s a solid ROI.

Finding real estate that has returns like that is going to be extremely difficult. That’s a large lot for a trailer, have you considered finding a 2nd cheap trailer?
Posted by New Boy
Member since Aug 2009
890 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:06 am to
How much is it going to cost you to demo the trailer and build the house?

What’s the projected net cash flow on the house vs. the trailer? How much could you sell the house for once completed?
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:22 am to
quote:

have you considered finding a 2nd cheap trailer?


Yes. I'm actually about to purchase a pristine 2003 model for 12k. The issue is local ordinance does not allow trailers older than 10 years to be moved and placed. So I'm keeping it in the trailer park.

Like everything else, used mobile homes are sky high right now.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:25 am to
quote:

I wouldn’t touch it personally OP unless you just want out. $8400/ year is 14% of $60k.


I only paid $44k, so the ROC has been higher. Like I said, it's been a fantastic investment. It just needs a significant amount of work.

Sub-floor rebuild, new water lines, demo and replace walls, etc.
Honestly it's probably 7-8k to do it. But I would like a property with more reliability.

I would also like to increase net Cash flow. $60K probably allows me $220k-$300K (20-25% down payment) in buying power for something else.

If I can take that and double-triple my cash flow, that would be the goal.

or flip it into 2-4 lots in the area (and I have my eyes on some things) that would be ideal also.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:13 am to
quote:

How much is it going to cost you to demo the trailer and build the house?

$3,500

quote:

What’s the projected net cash flow on the house vs. the trailer?

I assume I could build a 1200-1300 SF house for $100-$110K.
This would include self-contracting and a lot of sweat equity.
(Some framing, pulling my own electrical, insulating, paint, doors & trim, flooring, fixtures, etc.)

quote:

How much could you sell the house for once completed?

I would think after it's all said and done it could appraise for $165-$180k.

Rent for $1300-1400.

A cash out refi would be best bet for me.
80% of 180,000 (high end), gets me 144k. Net $34k cash.
Note for 30 year mortgage.
$859 + Taxes and Insurance. Call it $950/mo.

Net cash flow = 1300/$1400 - $950 = $350-$450/mo.

If I did not cash out.. Net cash flow is $675-$775/mo
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:15 am
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9800 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:09 pm to
I would also like to increase net Cash flow. $60K probably allows me $220k-$300K (20-25% down payment) in buying power for something else.

If I can take that and double-triple my cash flow, that would be the goal.
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You're talking about leverage. That's the way to keep building.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31118 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:42 am to
quote:

I have a buyer interested right now wanting to write me a check for $60k. The plan would be to take that and roll it into another property purchase. The issue would be finding something else in this market.


What kind of investment would you expect to roll it into? Lot? House? Condo?

This market has got to be slowing down as the price increases we've seen the last year are unsustainable and interest rates are rising. Most people aren't able to cash out because they need to buy a new place right away. But you're in a good position to cash out and wait things out for however long you need to.
Posted by Smoke Ring
Scenic Highway Crackhouse
Member since Dec 2010
4240 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 10:48 am to
Sell it and buy physical silver.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65680 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 12:28 pm to
Your three options are

1. Status quo and remain a landlord
2. Sell trailer for $60k
3. Tear down (possibly sell for a nominal amount) trailer and build on lot.

Obviously your decision is tailored to you.

Option 1: do you want to continue to be the landlord for a depreciating asset with some ongoing exposure?

Option 2: clean break, invest the money in something else

Option 3: Building right now on the lot. Tough ask in this climate. Additionally, separate from the actual construction aspect, that location of your present lot (valued at $35k-ish) is not going to allow you to maximize your potential return on the finished new house. Put another way, if you have your heart set on building a spec house, do Option #2 and take the proceeds and buy a different better-located lot to build the spec house on. It will give you ultimately a better return than building the same house on your uncle's lot.

Good luck.

For me the answer would be to get out of the trailer landlord business and not try to get into building right now but my situation is probably different than yours is.

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