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re: Help me convince family members not to buy a house right now

Posted on 2/2/09 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by MileHigh
Most likely a mile high
Member since Jan 2004
7920 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 1:26 pm to
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complete blanket statement

Blanket statements are never appropriate

Now might be a good time to buy for some people, especially if you can get a good deal. You do risk significant downside risk though. Prices could go nearer to zero
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 1:28 pm to
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Actually I have done plenty. A 30 year mortgage on a 130,000 loan in todays market will run your note about 800 or so a month. You can buy a 3 bedroom 2 bath house for that price. Now how many 3 bedroom 2 bath houses can you rent for that price? Are you gaining any equity by renting? Also, you are able to deduct your interest on your tax return.


What exactly are you gaining by renting a place?



Actually you've done little other than read a few articles. Here's a real world example:

Mountain View, CA 1500 sq ft 3/2 starts at 1.2M
Rent....$3200 - $3600/month range

Do the math Mr. Genius.

You can buy houses in Detroit for $1....so how does that factor into your formula. You can always massage a number to meet a preconceived opinion...but that doesn't make it correct.

Now, let's go back to your example:
Who pays for M&R?
Who pays the Taxes?
Who pays for lack of occupancy months?
Who pay for insurance?

Deducting taxes/expenses is not a straight line tax break...or don't you know that? Also, care to discuss recapture of D&A at the time of sale?

Fact is home ownership is NOT always a good financial decision.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15368 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 1:28 pm to
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Blanket statements are never appropriate
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26745 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 1:34 pm to
I thought ALL bankers must die
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7383 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:33 pm to
So I've decided to not argue my point anymore. I concede, BUT now that I realize the demand for renting. I am going to go buy a few rent houses so if anyone would like to rent their house from me, I'll give them a good deal!
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:50 pm to
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Also, care to discuss recapture of D&A at the time of sale?



On residential property?
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:55 pm to
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That's why I said look at 10 years.

Which 10 years. The one period that proves your point?

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Also, I'm pretty sure this guy that started this post was not referring to one of the 3 areas that you referred to. Over 50% of the foreclosures are made up of just those 3 states.

You didn't qualify your statement. You asked for just one example. You're all over the placing trying to win an unwinnable argument.
This post was edited on 2/2/09 at 2:59 pm
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:16 pm to
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Also, care to discuss recapture of D&A at the time of sale?
On residential property?


Absolutely....it's becoming much more common when people go to sell and have to convert to rental. Life is not buy house, live in it, sell it, buy another....the industry is much more complex. My example is what's going on in the real world, not some class room discussion
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:18 pm to
Yeah, no that's fine, you just didn't say anything about converting it into a rental before. Kind of hard to know that without saying it.
Posted by RedFox
Member since Jan 2009
1316 posts
Posted on 2/3/09 at 11:49 am to
Tell that pools can be a major f*cking pain in the arse. Unless they really really like swimming its not worth it. I'd much rather just have the space than the pool.
This post was edited on 2/3/09 at 11:50 am
Posted by Herb
Amite LA
Member since Dec 2003
6528 posts
Posted on 2/3/09 at 3:14 pm to
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I completely disagree with this. Why not buy a house right now?? There aren't many times that you can lock in a 4.5 interest rate. Also, if your monthly note is not going to change, then they should be able to afford it.


I would NEVER encourage anyone to rent. You just as soon have a bon fire with your money b/c that is all you are doing is throwing your money in the garbage.


The only thing that I would discourage is the house with a pool. As the other person said, the utilities are sky high along with the homeowner's insurance. Also, a pool does not make the house worth any more. It can actually hurt when trying to sell the house.
Generally agree. Certainly in the vast majority of cases.
This post was edited on 2/3/09 at 3:18 pm
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