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Health Savings Accounts (HSA) for ALL

Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1010 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:38 pm
HSAs for All

Rand Paul introduced legislation that would expand eligibility for HSA's and remove contribution limits.

Wasn't trying to get political but I thought this might be of interest to those who are like me and their company does not offer a high deductible plan.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69626 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:44 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 7:37 am
Posted by Spock
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
1176 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 3:47 pm to
I support everything in this bill - I really hope it gains some traction. The only reason I am enrolled in a HDHP is so I would have access to an HSA.

I don't know how removing the contribution limit would work though. HSAs are already the ultimate retirement account - removing the contribution limit would basically make it an unlimited traditional IRA + tax free withdrawals on health related expenses.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57457 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:00 pm to
i wish i can stop using this high deductible plan and keep my HSA.

I would like to know how this will affect the HSA loophole as a retirement account.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
The South
Member since Mar 2014
11004 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:07 pm to
Good legislation that will never see the light of day in the House
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:26 pm to
This is one of those rare pieces of legislation that I can't fathom why anyone would be against regardless of how you vote, but I'm sure someone has a vendetta against it.
Posted by Aug1
Member since Nov 2013
79 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:35 pm to
What would you guys consider a high deductible for a HDHP that offers a HSA. MY company offers one but the deductible is $6k with a $1k contribution but the premiums are as high as the PPO plan offered with only a $3k deductible. I get the rational behind a HSA, but in this instance it doesn't seem worthwhile.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:47 pm to
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MY company offers one but the deductible is $6k with a $1k contribution but the premiums are as high as the PPO plan offered with only a $3k deductible.


That scenario seems odd. I've never heard of an HSA plan with premiums as high as a traditional PPO - that's sort of the whole point with HSAs: Lower premium, higher deductible. There has to be some other information that we are missing. Or your benefits person is an idiot.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:56 pm to
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This is one of those rare pieces of legislation that I can't fathom why anyone would be against regardless of how you vote, but I'm sure someone has a vendetta against it.


The talking point is it will benefit highly compensated employees more than others, especially with no cap and therefore unlimited tax deferral, though that's what discrimination testing is for.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 4:58 pm
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:56 pm to
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premiums are as high as the PPO plan offered
show the numbers. That's extremely odd
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 4:58 pm to
Ya, one of the rare times an HDHP/HSA may not be beneficial at all is if you don't pay any premium to begin with for either plan, but this sounds all wrong entirely.
This post was edited on 8/3/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5034 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

This is one of those rare pieces of legislation that I can't fathom why anyone would be against regardless of how you vote, but I'm sure someone has a vendetta against it.


This will get zero Democrat votes.
Posted by wheelr
Member since Jul 2012
5147 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

What would you guys consider a high deductible for a HDHP that offers a HSA. MY company offers one but the deductible is $6k with a $1k contribution but the premiums are as high as the PPO plan offered with only a $3k deductible. I get the rational behind a HSA, but in this instance it doesn't seem worthwhile.



My premium is $45 vs $65 for the PPO. My deductible is $3k where the PPO is $2k. I also get decent employer contributions to my HSA.

Hope that helps.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 7:57 pm to
What's your employer contribution?
Posted by dovehunter
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
1225 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 8:17 pm to
My company contributes $3000 and we encourage everyone to max out their contribution and not use the money if at all possible. Our philosophy is that it’s cheaper to borrow the money than diminish your HSA. A number of our people have $200,000 in their HSA’s. Of course we have been on these plans since inception. Must have been in the ‘90’s.

The problem will be that these plans assist the higher wage earner over the lower paid folks.
Posted by 1609tiger
Member since Feb 2011
3230 posts
Posted on 8/3/20 at 8:21 pm to
Democrats will kill this. Anyone with a decent job and willingness to try to save is the enemy.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10571 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:08 am to
I switched my wife and I over to a HDP with the HSA. We max contributions for both and provides tax shelter for $7,000 worth of income.

The down side is the startup for most people.

HSAs accrue funds into them. That means your first 6-8 months will only accumulate and likely you will not be able to use it for any substantial bills.

It also strikes me like a pain in the arse for a withdrawal. It’s not FSA swipe a card, go home happy.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 7:09 am
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:17 am to
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It also strikes me like a pain in the arse for a withdrawal. It’s not FSA swipe a card, go home happy.

which bank? We have card we use all the time. And we can transfer into/out of the account as we please.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9510 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:43 am to
I have a Health Equity account. I like it.

Louisiana's insurance rates are so messed up that for me to go with a HDHP this year it was going to cost me more than a traditional plan.

Defeated the whole purpose of a HDHP. Only thing I could come up with was Blue Cross basically forcing the individual market into their regular plans with their rates/pricing.
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:45 am to
Just another bill that tries to figure out HOW to pay for astronomical health care costs.

What no one ever does, and what we should do, is address the wasteful, inefficient, opaque system so that the outrageous costs are kept in check.

Stop figuring out how to pay $100,000 for an outpatient procedure, and start asking why it costs that much.
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