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re: Gulf Shores/Orange Beach condo prices

Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by Sput
Member since Mar 2020
9108 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 3:59 pm to
Oh when you said “I manage one” it sounded like you were a property manager.

Insurance is definitely going up but unless your place has tons and tons of amenities you are getting royally fricked by the management company and or the HOA.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37140 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:21 pm to
quote:

I think the 2nd home trend will continue for awhile


If you believe that then buy.

My bias is we are heading into a recession and higher interest rates. Both of those would lower values and decrease the number of people who can afford a second home.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1584 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:49 pm to
I live in the area. My unscientific observation is that this week is not nearly the number of people vacationing this year as last year. 1 hour waits vs 3 hours at restaurants. Publix is not packed with 5 deep lines on 10 registers, shelves are not out of stock, traffic is not nearly as bad. I have some family looking to come into town in august and still plenty of condos on VRBO, last year there was Zero. Not sure if this will lead to more properties for sale later.
Yes, there is a new Phoenix (Phoenix Key Towers) going up as a luxury place on the Gulf side between the entrance to Ono and Flora-Bama, pre-sale prices 2-3 Million/unit, ~56 units. Caribe also has a new tower near the corner of beach and 161 across from walgreens.

I think a few local folks that are looking feel (or maybe just HOPE) that there is a correction, but no one knows. My agent says Baldwin county doesn't really drop and there are still plenty of contracts over 500k-1.5M that are cash, so interest rates don't matter in those sales. The orange beach website just posted an analysis that you can read for yourself in the link below. Prices have increased, but less on the market.
So I think no one really is in the know.

Coastal Condos

Residential properties sold in June 2022: 162

Average sales price: $677,657

Average days on market: 19

Average sales price change from June 2021: Increased 34.5 percent


June 2022 vs June 2021
Posted by TBass82
Folsom
Member since Feb 2004
2709 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:57 pm to
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Luckily the condo was purchased years ago and the mortgage isn't that much. But I agree, its becoming almost unbearable and will most assuredly make it more difficult to sell in the future.



I’ve got some questions about rentals/real estate in Perdido Key, I’m here now with the family. Mind if I email you?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23425 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:29 am to
quote:

If you believe that then buy.

My bias is we are heading into a recession and higher interest rates. Both of those would lower values and decrease the number of people who can afford a second home.


Ha, I'm not looking to buy. I'm just saying that a lot of buyers the last couple of years purchased due to the pandemic and the limited options. Having a place you can get away to and out of the city is a new feeling of relief to a lot of people.

ETA: What I was explaining was that in a normal market, like say Huntsville the recession and interest rates are a major player. In a 2nd home market, they are still a player but not as big IMO. A lot of cash buys and second homes, so it may not be affected as much.

Given that, in the mortgage crash of 2008/9 the beach market was hit as hard or harder then anyone.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 10:42 am
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6572 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:31 am to
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I’ve got some questions about rentals/real estate in Perdido Key, I’m here now with the family. Mind if I email you?


Yeah, for sure.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 10:50 am
Posted by TBass82
Folsom
Member since Feb 2004
2709 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 10:42 am to
Got it brother, you can take it down if you’d like. Although this isn’t the OT so hopefully you’re safe ??
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
6389 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:57 pm to
They are building 2-3 bedrooms ocean front for over a million.

So yes they can still climb. I paid $720K in April and its gone up since then....crazy

Assesments and HOA are going up too
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2938 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:17 pm to
I am a Broker down here with 20 years of experience...we are taking a brief pause right now...but the trend is upwards.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23425 posts
Posted on 7/15/22 at 7:21 am to
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am a Broker down here with 20 years of experience...we are taking a brief pause right now...but the trend is upwards.


Lol, you couldn’t sound more like a realtor if you tried.

What makes you think the long term is upwards? I’m just curious? And what is the time line here between a pause and upwards trend?

I’m sure long long term is certainly
Up but I’m just not sure that’s in the next year or 2 with interest rates and the recession.
Posted by 60feet6inches
Member since Jan 2018
47 posts
Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:08 am to
We have a place down in orange beach. We are just getting hit with a $50-80k assessment for hurricane repairs. Our insurance company just settled with our board at a much lower amount than the actual costs. Sucks but not much choice other than to settle when you factor in the costs of lawyer fees and such. Even with that assessment coming, several condos in our complex are selling for 75-100k more than they were 6-9 months ago. I have spoken extensively to some business owners, brokers, and property managers in the area. They all believe the trend is here to stay, if not go up more. Orange beach continues to add attractions, new schools, and more local type restaurants. The brokers tell me they are constantly getting calls from California investors who can buy with cash at a fraction of the price they can out there. As long as they are interested, prices aren't going anywhere.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2938 posts
Posted on 7/15/22 at 9:16 am to
Just from living here and watching the influx of people from areas that we've not seen before..say in Bear Point where I live..but hey smart guy, since you have been here on the scene much longer than me I will defer to your judgement. Tell us what you know...
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23425 posts
Posted on 7/15/22 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Just from living here and watching the influx of people from areas that we've not seen before..say in Bear Point where I live..but hey smart guy, since you have been here on the scene much longer than me I will defer to your judgement. Tell us what you know...


I don't disagree with that and in fact I said the exact same in this thread already.

I've lived in the FL Panhandle since 2000 fwiw.

But, we aren't really talking 3-4 years down the road. I'm talking the next 6 months to a year.

ETA: My post above was mostly tongue in cheek.
The point was you as a broker came in pumping prices up and staying level without really any good data outside of anecdotal experience when we have major inflation, major interest rate increases, and potential serious recession on our hands as counterpoints.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 11:07 am
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
18741 posts
Posted on 7/16/22 at 5:05 pm to
It's cheaper to go to fricking Europe than to spend a week in Orange Beach/Pensacola in a nice, clean place nowadays.


I paid 2K a month overlooking the Med in Southern Spain the last two summers. I’ll do it every year I can handle that flight.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49222 posts
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:33 am to
That’s amazing. Where are you staying that’s only $2k/month in that kind of location?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:11 am to
We just got down to Pensacola Beach for our annual family week. At the end of the week we usually talk with the property firm and reserve the same ones next year. Last year the price pretty much doubled.

We came in around 4pm yesterday and headed straight for the WalMart in Gulf Breeze before heading to the condo. There were people shopping, but it looked no different than any other WalMart and there were no lines to check out.

This morning I'm looking out at a somewhat empty beach (emptier than the 2015-2019 norm), my sister and her family are in Destin and the picture they sent is similar (their beach is filled with those private contractor chairs, but no one is in them).

The increases from last year, the continued high price of gasoline and the long-running high inflation seems to be starting to impact the area. I doubt it's time to buy yet, but if this continues through the summer it wouldn't shock me to see prices come down as we are just at the beginning of the beginning of our economic problems.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52217 posts
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:19 am to
Just read an article in the business section of Summit daily, the newspaper for Summit County Colorado. July business activity is down in the mountains. Inflation and high gas prices appear to be the culprits. There are bound to be real consequences in the real estate markets across the country.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 10:21 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20633 posts
Posted on 7/17/22 at 2:42 pm to
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Y’all are gouging the frick out of those idiots. If an owner is paying $1100 a month off the gulf then they have more money than sense.

It depends on what’s included in the HOA fee.

Everything on the coast has exploded in cost and just getting people to quote projects is still very tough.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23425 posts
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

Just read an article in the business section of Summit daily, the newspaper for Summit County Colorado. July business activity is down in the mountains. Inflation and high gas prices appear to be the culprits. There are bound to be real consequences in the real estate markets across the country.


Correct, lots of data coming in that western/ mountain vacation areas occupancy is down over 2021. Which frankly makes sense as 2021 was super busy.

But not sure sure if it’s a major trend or not, at this time.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1584 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:05 pm to
Dublin Ireland is 3k round trip out of new orleans and 1 connection. Hotel with one bed and one pull out sofa is 450-600/ night, if you can find one. So I guess it depends on which part of Europe. I haven't checked but I would guess the baltics and poland might be having some extra sweet room rates about now. The PIGS (learned this term from a Portugal native: "Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain") have always been cheaper than northern Europe.
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