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Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:45 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35598 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:45 pm
His father got duped into buying Rosland Capital gold coins.


They are individually packaged with serials.

I went with him to put it in a Safe Dep box. He just needs a place to put it for now.

But I am assuming that he will have to sell it back to rosland. I’ve heard that before, but didn’t want to say until I know.


Should he keep it?
Sell it?

Any other ideas on what to tell him? Let’s say his father is not long for earth and the three siblings will need to know what to do soon.

Eta This is what they looked like.

This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 8:33 pm
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 6:58 pm to
Wow that looks big time scammy. Do you know the specifics of the coins? American Gold eagle coins have a good secondary market. I have personal experience buying/selling through a company that works with fidelity. My client at the time would get them delivered when he got close to the 100k. These were bought through a brokerage acct.

If it is gold American eagles you can open a brokerage account with Fidelity or someone that clears transactions through National Financial Services. They can help facilitate the depositing and trade.

If they banked with Iberia... Iberia merged with First Horizon and their wealth group clears through national Financial. The coins could be shite. Find the details of the coins and then I will know if there is a good secondary market. Below is the website for fidelitrade. If the coins are any of the ones on this list then they have value and a good secondary market

Fidelitrade
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
37777 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:09 pm to
Is Rosland Capital a scam? That old guy with the big mustache on the commercials always seemed so nice
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:18 pm to
One other thing. If it is one of the legit coins like American Gold eagles or American buffalos or Krugerrands etc instead of some collectors bullshite most brokerage houses have a way of selling them. The charge was 50 bucks plus a percentage. Most financial advisors/planners I dealt with just covered the cost and sometimes would add flat 50 bucks on top of the cost for their effort facilitating the transaction They were just happy to help their clients.

Best of luck. Seriously find out the details of the coins because they may have real value that can be shipped and then liquidated.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 7:20 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35598 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

If it is gold American eagles you can open a brokerage account with Fidelity or someone that clears transactions through National Financial Services. They can help facilitate the depositing and trade.


Pretty sure they were Samoan or Solomon Island quarter oz.

So I would assume they are about 400 dollars a piece in bullion .


This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 8:35 pm
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

His father got duped into buying Rosland Capital gold coins.



as i understood it only circulated US currency couldnt be melted down and/or sold for its gold weight?

why cant you just sell them the same as an ingot of gold if they arent legit certified currency?

i have an old gold coin from the 80s and its worth way way more as its gold weight then it is as coin currency value, so when im ready, it will have an accident with a blow torch, and then be sold as scrap gold nugget when i sell it
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 3:04 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
45633 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

Rosland Capital a scam?

With Rosland, what you buy is what you get. No gimmicks, no nonsense, no hassle.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 2:22 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35598 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

i have an old gold coin from the 80s and its worth way way more as its gold weight then it is as coin currency value, so when im ready, it will have an accident with a blow torch, and then be sold as scrap gold nugget when i sell it



So I’ve heard he HAS to sell it back to rosland. He can sell to anyone right?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22489 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

So I’ve heard he HAS to sell it back to rosland. He can sell to anyone right?


Why would you HAVE to sell gold to anyone specifically? You think someone wouldn't melt that down and just sell it? Maybe not in the USA but they sure as shite won't turn that down internationally.

I wouldn't doubt a Rosland attempts to tell their buyers that to limit the market and make money on the buy back, but its likely BS.

As said, if its not minted by the USA I don't see why you are limited?
Posted by JKLazurus
Member since Jun 2016
261 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 5:13 pm to
It’s probably in his best bet interest to sell back to Rosland. They likely sold them at a significant mark up, with a guarantee they will buy them back at spot price instead of some sort of meltdown price (which is also the only reason I can think anyone would add serial numbers or tamper proof packaging to a precious metal). Nonetheless, I suspect the front end markup was astronomical.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

So I’ve heard he HAS to sell it back to rosland. He can sell to anyone right?



never assume anything is standard, each state most likely has its own rules.

any jeweler will make him an offer on coins, whether its a good or bad offer is up to you to find out.

i know mine is worth more melted down then it is as a coin, but since mine is a legal tender circulated coin, you break the law melting it down to do that. but whos gonna come to your house to catch you in the act of doing it? i know what im gonna do, but i cant tell you if you should break the law or not, thats on you. but first you need to find out if it can be sold as scrap gold or as a coin

i bet any jeweler in your area can answer these questions and give you a price for a single coin when you go check. then you know how to proceed
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 6:58 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22489 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:26 am to
That’s what I’m saying though is it’s not an official US minted coin right? It’s a privately made and labeled coin, basically some company bought gold and made them into coins and sold them.

They can make a contract that you can’t ‘sell to anyone else’ but they don’t fricking know what you do.
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9150 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:01 pm to
So I’ve dabbled on and off with metals for a decade plus. It’s really all about timing. If you can get physical bullion when prices are low and ride it out until prices jump there’s money to be made.

Gold is currently at $1,788 per ounce. Often referred to as the “melt value”. Only 3 or so years ago it was close to $1,250. If Grandpa was buying these back then or earlier; he’s in the money.

Currently, the gold in that 1/4Oz coin is worth about $447.

The issue you have is the coins are undesirable. There’s really no numismatic value to a coin collector. Grandpa was given some bad advice.

Here’s in the States it’s all about Gold Eagles and Buffalos. Some people pick up South African Krugerrands.

So the best you are likely to get is the melt value. You can try selling them back; but, any gold dealer will take them if genuine. APMEX is a big and very well known buyer.

Realistically; you might not get melt. The dealers make their money on the spread. Buying gold for below melt and selling it with a markup. $400 a coin may be offered by many.

As to whether or not you should keep them? Gold; generally goes up in value over time. It does not keep up with the stock market. It’s said that gold is a hedge against inflation. We’re witnessing historic inflation and golds price isn’t going up. I’d say now is as good a time as any to sell. I’m considering it myself. The arrival of Crypto has really hit metals hard. I don’t see anything on the immediate horizon that’s gonna send values soaring.

If he has receipts showing what he actually paid for the coins that could be helpful. If the resale is actually lower than he paid, this could be used as a capital gains loss for taxation purposes. If the value has gone up, burn the receipts and find someone willing to buy with cash. ;0)
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 7:17 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
82295 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:36 am to
quote:

That old guy with the big mustache on the commercials always seemed so nice




G GORDON LIDDY!!!!!!!!!


i think William Devane does all their commercials now
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35598 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 2:43 pm to
Thank you


I would assume he’s got a paper trail.


The coins are blisterpacked with serials. They’d have the receipt. I guess they can lie.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27773 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:27 pm to
$692? The IRS will need a 1099 for that sir.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7694 posts
Posted on 8/13/22 at 1:12 am to


Contact local jewelers and coin dealers. Avoid anyone buying them at a discount to current spot. Go outside your area until you find a good dealer. Seriously doubt you get anything over premium but ask anyway!

Note: some people will buy these straight up for cash, no questioned asked. Cash is cash and so on…..

These are not legal tender coins but rounds. They are worth their value in gold weight only. Maybe the original company will buy them back but that leaves a paper trail…

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 8/13/22 at 11:11 am to
quote:

If the resale is actually lower than he paid, this could be used as a capital gains loss for taxation purposes.


I believe that he was talking about the son’s eventual inheritance. And in that case, I believe that the only taxable issue would be the value at the time of the father’s death and what the son sells the coins for.

LSUfanHouston is the resident tax expert, so I’m sure that he can shed some light on any tax question though.
Posted by BearsFan
Member since Mar 2016
1283 posts
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:38 pm to
So this got me curious about Rosalind Capital. I mean who doesn't love the commercials.

Gold is worth $1,813.60 right now.

Metals have been hard to get near spot prices for a few years.

Cheapest 1 oz Gold Bar on Apmex is $1,886.59 (gets cheaper than that if you buy in multiples).
I check the Rosalind capital website and it says to call for pricing. Somehow I assume they aren't offering a great price.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
9150 posts
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

Note: some people will buy these straight up for cash, no questioned asked. Cash is cash and so on…..


This is true; gotta be careful though. Reddit r/pmsforsale is a solid choice. Be wary of anyone who wants you to mail them and use electronic payments like PayPal. Traders are vetted there with feedback.
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