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re: First NBC Bank selling 9 branches to Whitney

Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by Tiger4Ever
Member since Aug 2003
36702 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:48 pm to
They aren't the ripest target...in a sales transaction the deferred tax assets related to the tax credits gets wiped out. Without them they aren't all that attractive as a pure bank. Not to mention they are several branches lighter than they were before...

Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:20 pm to
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Whitney operating separately from Hancock now

Whitney is just a trade name in Louisiana and Florida, hasn't existed as a distinct entity for years.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:29 pm to
FNBC has been losing depositors in waves since the letters came out from an investment firm that owns part of their debt and the FDIC is already monitoring solvency. They're hilarious to read and you'll wonder what the heck management is doing.

In short, the bank's only asset is tax credits that are worthless in event of an acquisition. They never became a viable commercial bank in this newest version of FNBC because they assumed a competitive market for reselling these tax credits would always exist.

Tax credit market is gone, management didn't understand IRS rules on tax credits' transferability to a new owner and they don't have any other banking fundamentals to carry on.
Posted by Blue Horseshoe
Member since Dec 2014
57 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:46 pm to
I've linked the letters from HoldCo Asset Management to FNBC's board of directors. HoldCo owns a sizable amount of FNBC debt, and has built a considerable short position in the stock to hedge their long position.

First letter dated August 12, 2016 LINK

Second letter dated August 17, 2016 LINK

Third letter dated October 25, 2016 LINK
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37084 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

First NBC is to ripe of a target to let that happen. They would be attractive for a buyout from another bank before it got that far.


The majority of their value as a going concern is in their tax credits. Upon a change in control, some pretty sick tax accounting rules kick in that make those credits almost worthless. They don't technically go away, but it just becomes very hard to use them.

So if you strip that away, what you have left is the deposits, the hard assets such as the branches, and the loan portfolio. The loan portfolio for a while was pretty terrible (heavy in FL real estate) but it's gotten somewhat better over time. Still not great.

They are selling 1.3 billion in loan portfolio, plus the 9 branches and the float from those deposits, for basically 850 million - 250 million cash and 600 in federal bank loan assumption. That's a fire sale if I ever saw one.

The cash. and getting that 600 million liability off their books, gives them some time and some breathing room. I don't think in the end, it changes the result.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:26 pm to
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Whitney is just a trade name in Louisiana and Florida, hasn't existed as a distinct entity for years.


Hancock is the trade name in MS, AL, and FL. The Bank is Whitney Bank from TX to FL.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 2:55 pm to
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They were counting tax credits as assets and the tax credits dried up. They expanded quickly based on the tax credits they were getting in rebuilding New Orleans from the Govt for Katrina recovery. The credits stopped and they realized they didn't have the capital they thought they did.


Ehh, no. They were counting Deferred Tax Assets as capital. Basel III standards phase out bank's ability to do that. Poor management grew the tax credit book whilst seemingly unaware of this. Their $38MM 3Q16 Net Income is really a $22MM loss when you take out the negative $60MM tax number. This has been the case for most of the recent years end, too.

As someone else said, it's poor management. This sale gets their capital ratios better without diluting any shareholders (Common equity/total assets). My guess is they'll try to earn back some stock price before raising more capital.
Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Very true. They may be selling the branches that the other bank did not want to get more value and then sell itself to another bank.


Seems to be a some different small/regional banks around each location, with a few Whitney Banks next door or across the street.

Of all locations, the following number of banks are near them:

Iberia, Gulf Coast, First American - 2 each
Investar, Regions, Midsouth, Florida Parishes - 1 each.

(I didnt include Cap One, Chase, etc.)

I could see a bank like FABT or Investar getting a great deal on establishing their brand better in the FNBC markets. But I know nothing of any bank financials.

Posted by BigErn
Member since Mar 2007
3284 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:03 pm to

Those letters were entertaining.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 1/3/17 at 3:05 pm to
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with a few Whitney Banks next door or across the street.


probably upgrading to newer facilities
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1390 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 4:17 pm to
Anyone have updates or opinions on FNBC? They seem to trading down steadily in the absence of news about their restructuring.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58123 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:51 am to
All I know is I had drinks recently with someone who used to work there and the rumor mill is that their Sr level mgmt sucks and pushed employees to do shady shite.
I wouldn't touch this company as an investment unless you just like high risk gambling
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37084 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:26 am to
From what I have seen (i.e. no concrete proof) they are bleeding deposits and good customers. They are attempting a turnaround, but I don't think they have brought in any experts. Hard to expect the current management to turn it around.

Their deferred tax assets are getting hammered with Basel III for regulatory purposes, and are almost useless in a sale for tax purposes. If they were your typical struggling bank with a down loan portfolio, they would have been bought out by now. But this is different.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

they are bleeding deposits

Regulatory action has a way about this.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6139 posts
Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:08 am to
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If they were your typical struggling bank with a down loan portfolio, they would have been bought out by now.


I did'nt buy but I was thinking this was the only advantage if one did. At this point, they might have a better shot at being de-listed than a buyout.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22288 posts
Posted on 1/20/17 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

What put the hurt on them?
quote:

Arrogant management at the top.

For a moment there, I thought I was on the Poly board.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58123 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 12:55 pm to
Bump. What's the latest.
I heard things have gotten even worse over there.

I guess the chance of a buyout is pretty much slim now.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:33 pm to
Well, I saw that earlier this week they said they'd have to restate some of their already restated earnings. So...classic First NBC.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
2108 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:05 pm to
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