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re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:26 pm to lighter345
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:26 pm to lighter345
Still hearing witness testimony. I remember reading a while back that the hearing was supposed to be today and tomorrow. Haven't seen that lately so not sure if it'll be done today or tomorrow
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:44 pm to Boss13
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What was the deal with objections to the guys background and what can't be "admissible in any court in the country." They got on his arse about not being able to produce numbers.
SLI won't give number because they are the only ones that have any and it's still in development. I agree with SLI telling them to get fuq'd. I thought about going, but I'd be throat punching these dumbasses.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 4:09 pm to ev247
Judge just said something about closing the evidentiary record tomorrow so the hearing is definitely going into tomorrow fyi
Posted on 11/4/24 at 5:36 pm to ev247
Reconvening tomorrow at 9. I believe they got to all of their evidence and witnesses today.
If anyone wants a layman’s opinion, I think another delay is more likely than a royalty decision. Setting aside my hopes, I can’t get around the argument made by the landowners’ attorney that the commission wanted more financial info in December and they still haven’t gotten (won’t get) it. I don’t know how they move forward apart from the companies giving in in a big way.
If anyone wants a layman’s opinion, I think another delay is more likely than a royalty decision. Setting aside my hopes, I can’t get around the argument made by the landowners’ attorney that the commission wanted more financial info in December and they still haven’t gotten (won’t get) it. I don’t know how they move forward apart from the companies giving in in a big way.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 7:55 pm to ev247
What does the company’s profit have to do with setting the royalties. They wanna base it on profit of the company which is bs. The mineral is worth a % of the retail cost when it’s in the ground and not refined, and that’s it. I don’t see how profit plays a part, except the landowners trying to get as much as possible without putting the companies out of business. Total bs if you ask me.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:37 pm to Elusiveporpi
I was thinking less about profit info and more about them wanting to see something like a Lanxess brine supply agreement to help with:
Right and no one seems to know the retail cost of what's in the ground, only the cost of lithium carbonate/hydroxide after processing. Brine supply agreement would show how much the raw brine is being dealt for, but I'm sure it's all tangled with infrastructure fees anyway.
It really is a fascinating argument they're having all around. Obviously I'm pulling for a swift resolution, just not feeling great that we'll get it.
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The mineral is worth a % of the retail cost when it’s in the ground and not refined, and that’s it.
Right and no one seems to know the retail cost of what's in the ground, only the cost of lithium carbonate/hydroxide after processing. Brine supply agreement would show how much the raw brine is being dealt for, but I'm sure it's all tangled with infrastructure fees anyway.
It really is a fascinating argument they're having all around. Obviously I'm pulling for a swift resolution, just not feeling great that we'll get it.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:32 am to ev247
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. Obviously I'm pulling for a swift resolution, just not feeling great that we'll get it.
Probably not.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:41 am to SmackoverHawg
I don’t see why they don’t just make this simple. Look at that Ernst & Young Lithium royalty study and make the royalty the average. ~2.6%
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:01 am to SmackoverHawg
LINK
Sounds like Exxon did present the E&Y report to the AOGC. This article says there should be a decision by noon today.
Sounds like Exxon did present the E&Y report to the AOGC. This article says there should be a decision by noon today.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:04 am to ev247
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Obviously I'm pulling for a swift resolution, just not feeling great that we'll get it.
I'm very up in the air.
Listening to the proceedings, it certainly doesn't sound like they are ready to make a decision. That being said, this has been delayed so long and there are so many big parties with interest now, I feel like I'd be shocked if they didn't come to an agreement here.
Unfortunately I'm really just not familiar with how this process works, at this point. Do they have to either approve "the big 5" proposal, or reject it outright in favor of opposition and a new proposal starts from scratch? Can the parties negotiate a number at this stage to be approved today? That doesn't seem likely. Can the commission simply unilaterally set a royalty that neither party has recommended and that's that? If the commission approves the Big 5 proposal, are we then subject to appeals and what not that can drag it out further?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:24 am to Fe_Mike
The numbers the commission is trying to run right now are simply not how this process should be analyzed. It's unsettling how little they know/understand about the process.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:41 am to Fe_Mike
Mintak May have had the governors phone number in his cell phone, But it’s pretty obvious he didn’t use it. The O&G Commission should have been fully up to speed before this hearing.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:37 am to Wraytex
Opposition kind of fumbling in closing arguments here.
Sounds like he's scared the commission is going to approve the proposal outright and is now saying he doesn't need a rejection, he was just hoping for something in the middle. He's saying the numbers the opposition proposed were just 'in example' and he didn't mean to imply they wanted rates that high. He's literally admitting to mistakes in his counter proposal right now.
Fun.
Sounds like he's scared the commission is going to approve the proposal outright and is now saying he doesn't need a rejection, he was just hoping for something in the middle. He's saying the numbers the opposition proposed were just 'in example' and he didn't mean to imply they wanted rates that high. He's literally admitting to mistakes in his counter proposal right now.
Fun.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:46 am to Fe_Mike
Lunch break, then deliberation, then decision coming.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:27 pm to Fe_Mike
I've been listening on and off yesterday and today. I was at first sold they the counsel was gonna set it at 10%. After listening to the SLI/Exxon side, Im thinking it will be 5.6%
What's everyone's guess? Farthest off has to host the Wine Mixer.
What's everyone's guess? Farthest off has to host the Wine Mixer.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:31 pm to Elusiveporpi
I’m gonna be optimistic and say if there is a decision today it’s 3.2%. Literally don’t even know if that’s something they can do ha.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:51 pm to Fe_Mike
Yeah I was surprised the opposition closed with a proposed sliding scale royalty. Something like 3% if lithium price is under $10k, 6% if it's $10-30k, 10% if $30-50k, and 12% if over $50k.
To which our lawyer absolutely windmill dunks on a 12% royalty since some way or another a 12% royalty can result in a project participant who is:
-not paying for the plant
-only paying for brine
-and getting lithium carbonate almost for free.
Opposition admitted that he hadn't thought of that.
After today I have no clue where this is going. Opposition said in his closing that he doesn't want this to go back to square one but that they will appeal if the 1.82% is accepted. Lunch should be over soon and hopefully we get a favorable resolution this afternoon
To which our lawyer absolutely windmill dunks on a 12% royalty since some way or another a 12% royalty can result in a project participant who is:
-not paying for the plant
-only paying for brine
-and getting lithium carbonate almost for free.
Opposition admitted that he hadn't thought of that.
After today I have no clue where this is going. Opposition said in his closing that he doesn't want this to go back to square one but that they will appeal if the 1.82% is accepted. Lunch should be over soon and hopefully we get a favorable resolution this afternoon
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:07 pm to ev247
Commissioner says not enough information, motions to deny.
Motion is seconded.
Another commissioner states his opinion that the two parties should come together on a 2.5% royalty on finished product (WHY).
Application denied 8-0
Motion is seconded.
Another commissioner states his opinion that the two parties should come together on a 2.5% royalty on finished product (WHY).
Application denied 8-0
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:15 pm to ev247
Hows the stock going to react to this?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:17 pm to ev247
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2.5% royalty on finished product (WHY).
!!! Wow
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