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re: Credit Card Rewards and Points Discussion

Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:04 am to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:04 am to
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You don't want multiple LOC with balances on them.


If >= 50% of your revolving credit accounts report non $0 you will suffer. This is more of an effect if you have many accounts

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which is counter-intuitive to the utilization logic.



Your credit score gets affected by individual acct utilization + overall utilization. Imagine having $100k in available credit and $495 in statement balance that month. If you had a $500 limit card and it carried the full $495 balance, you would be crucified on your credit score for bad utilization on that single card
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:09 am to
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those with excellent credit which is essentially inconsequential


If you are like me and have been building credit for only 3 years, your credit score is very volatile if you get a major ding. If I paid off my CCs 1 day after statement date instead of before this month, my credit score would drop from some 800 to ~715.
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:11 am to
By "counter-intuitive" I meant that you would think many credit cards = higher denominator on util. Which should be good as long as you are in the 1-9% range. But like you said, if you have too many LOCs reporting balances, even though the util makes up 1-9%, your score will suffer.

Again - this is true for people will multiple (8-10+) cards. For people with the usual 1-3 cards, it is pretty straightforward
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 11:11 am
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:12 am to
You eliminated the part right before that where I said "thick file" :) I wouldn't say 3 years is "thick" per say

A friend of mine has 833 score by only by piggy backing on parents credit. His score is a lot more volatile due to "thin file." He was denied for Sapphire recently.

I got my first credit card (Discover It) about 6 years ago. And my score is still fairly volatile. I actually did a test to see how volatile my file was. I applied for and got 7 credit cards couple weeks ago. I also let 6/24 open CCs close with a balance on them. My score dropped by 8 points. They'll all close with 0 balances next time around and I'll see what the effect is.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 11:19 am
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:16 am to
I was just adding that credit utilization category factors in both individual account utilization + overall utilization. Lot of people don't realize that. Combine that with non $0 balances and you could have an unexpected dip on an otherwise stellar report


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You eliminated the part right before that where I said "thick file" :) I wouldn't say 3 years is "thick" per say


That was for Afro who was talking about how this could be inconsequential. Depending on your history and if you are churning to lower your average age, it isn't as inconsequential as it seems
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:22 am to
I'm saying it has got to be a thick file + very good/excellent credit for most things to be inconsequential. Credit itself won't cut it. Which seems to be your case.
Posted by txtiger79
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:30 am to
What's yall's latest experience with Chase co-branded cards? I applied on Feb 1 for a personal UA Explorer. I already have 4 cards with chase, but no prior apps with them in probably a year (several with others though obviously). 2 of my cards are personal, 2 are business on a legit business EIN. I got a pending response. When I dial into the automated system, it says to expect a written response in 2 weeks. The thing is that I have a lot of credit extended from my existing chase cards (Over $100k, with roughly 80% on the biz cards). Does biz card credit on a biz EIN count against the total amount of credit chase would want to extend? I'm tempted to call in and see if they need to reallocate dollars to push the approval through.
Posted by cmlsu
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:40 am to
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Credit Card Rewards and Points Discussion
Applied for 60k Chase Ink Plus for my wife on Feb 14 due to the changes coming in.

Status line says its approved.




Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:51 am to
Thanks dude,

I was feeling pretty blue with no one celebrating my timely haul
Posted by Azazello
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:59 am to
Posted by txtiger79
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:04 pm to
Congrats!
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:07 pm to
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I was feeling pretty blue with no one celebrating my timely haul

Well I'm still getting the 2 week response from Chase about my INk card, so I'm a little anxious to hear.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:08 pm to
Aww y'all shouldn't have!

Now if I can slip in that 50k United application in March (my 2 years from last bonus is March 10 or something) before the April cobrand change I'll be golden.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted by LSUAfro
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:08 pm to
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The thing is that I have a lot of credit extended from my existing chase cards (Over $100k, with roughly 80% on the biz cards). Does biz card credit on a biz EIN count against the total amount of credit chase would want to extend? I'm tempted to call in and see if they need to reallocate dollars to push the approval through.

I'm in the same boat right now, and can't answer that question definitively. I want to say business EIN credit lines aren't considered for personal cards, but I'm not sure.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:16 pm to
Ya I believe once the first the business line is set up on an EIN, then it becomes its "own thing."

If they txtiger can or has room, send a secure message to lower any limits on the current biz or personal lines.

A 30k line that you don't need and dropping it to 10k does wonders if you can do it.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:23 pm to
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Thanks dude,

I was feeling pretty blue with no one celebrating my timely haul


I thought you already had the Ink? Is it your second?

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A 30k line that you don't need and dropping it to 10k does wonders if you can do it.


RT. Keeping a little "Extra" line helps have leverage so you can offer to move it around if needed.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted by txtiger79
Member since Oct 2007
1017 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:40 pm to
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A 30k line that you don't need and dropping it to 10k does wonders if you can do it.


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Keeping a little "Extra" line helps have leverage so you can offer to move it around if needed.


See that's the thing. Unlike Citi, I've never pro-actively lowered Chase lines since the previous norm was to call them during a pending app and have them move the limits around for new account openings. With the increased scrutiny they are placing on new accounts, I'm not sure whether to call so they can move it around.

First world problems I guess, but I'm fretting over whether to call or let it work its way through. I've heard others report that if Chase would have otherwise approved it but needed to re-allocate credit, then letting it work through on its own could actually result in the application just being closed out since they don't reach out to re-allocate.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:40 pm to
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Keeping a little "Extra" line helps have leverage so you can offer to move it around if needed.


I have found if you're in the game long enough, this aspect is worth less to you than keeping your lines minimized, since you are hitting the cap they want to give out to you.

Not to mention, Chase only needs about $5,000 to open a line for you. So lowering your lines to 10k solves both problems


As for the ink, it's for my wife, she didn't have one and I had to slip it in there before the rule change
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted by AmeriKop45
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:53 pm to
I lower my lines pro-actively and keep at least 5K in extra credit (I think thats the lowest for "premium" visa/mc). I have 8 chase cc and never been not auto-approved except Ink. Think I can say "this works" fairly confidently. Sure others will have similar stories.

Also - if you are going to cancel a card, lower the credit line on it to the least they will allow you before you cancel. It gives you "access" or "frees up" that line of credit with the particular bank quicker than shutting down directly.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted by cmlsu
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2011
667 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

I was feeling pretty blue with no one celebrating my timely haul


Well I'm still getting the 2 week response from Chase about my INk card, so I'm a little anxious to hear.


Two weeks automated response? You good....If you read FT on applying for Chase cards you'll notice that at the very bottom of wiki it states that the two weeks notice on phone auto response is usually an approval within 30 days. (Although you can always call and push it along if you like )
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