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re: College Choices: LSU vs Student Debt

Posted on 4/12/18 at 3:43 pm to
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 3:43 pm to
First, kudos to you for gathering info to help you make an informed decision. Too many young people make this decision on feelings, not data. They are swayed by a fun campus overnight visit, the attractiveness (or not) of their potential fellow students, or some other incredibly superficial thing (like cafeteria food quality).

My two cents, as an LSU (undergrad) and Tulane (grad) alum who works in higher education:
—GA Tech is definitely not worth it at that pricing point.
—Va Tech is a great school with a lovely campus, but $100K for an undergraduate education is not a good idea. It’s not a high-wage field in the early years (unlike chemical engineering, finance, or a few others where starting salaries might allow you to live frugally for a few years and quickly pay off the debt). It is entirely unrealistic to think that you can hold a part time job while completing a top-5 architecture program...those people virtually live in their studios 24 hrs a day.
—LSU at low/no cost gives you an incredible amount of flexibility. You have lots of credit already, so you can go plunging right into ARCH courses and figure out if the field really is for you. You may discover that your true interests lie elsewhere, and you won’t feel obligated to stick to a degree track since the cost is modest. Who knows, you might discover that art history is really fun, or teaching, or graphic design...go find out.
—LSU’s low cost means you can, if you want, take on a little bit of debt to do amazing things. Semester or summer or year abroad: it’s possible, if you haven’t borrowed money for anything else. Unpaid summer internship in a cool city? Ditto....you’re not overspending on tuition, so you can afford to take the kinds of opportunities that can change your life. Agressively seek out those opportunities while at LSU; they won’t find you, you’ll have to go looking for them.
—LSU’s quality of gen ed varies widely: if you get a terrible instructor and a bunch of idiots in a class, it can be a drag. But you can always do more, read more, interact more with the professor....you can get an absolutely excellent education at LSU, if you exert yourself. Sadly, way too many lazy brains on that campus fritter away their TOPS funding doing as little as possible, receive a degree, and drag down the reputation through their continued mediocrity.
—it’s the currently popular mindset to think of managing yourself as a brand, and attending the “right” college might seem like a smart branding step. But, wait, hold the phone: you AREN’T a brand...you’re a person. Your skills and abilities will determine your path in life, especially in a creative field like architecture. The best school in the world won’t turn you into a brilliant designer if you aren’t inherently creative or visual. A degree from VTU might get you an interview, but it won’t get or keep a job.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 3:55 pm to
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It is entirely unrealistic to think that you can hold a part time job while completing a top-5 architecture program...those people virtually live in their studios 24 hrs a day.


I keep hearing this, but i worked my entire undergrad in mechanical engineering. I have a hard time believing Architecture is THAT much more demanding, I could be wrong.
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
4612 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:00 pm to
I guess ignorance is leading to the downvotes about Mississippi State. It's architecture program is very well respected and ranks right below Auburn and on-par (if not higher) than LSU.

Great value for the $.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:57 pm to
SIAP but out of state tuition goes away once you establish residency in the state so the inflated tuition numbers are inflated.
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:02 pm to
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SIAP but out of state tuition goes away once you establish residency in the state so the inflated tuition numbers are inflated.




Thats not how it works. Almost every school has a stipulation that you have to establish residency x years before enrollment. Or all students would eventually pay in state tuition.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:04 pm to
UGA does/did it that way so I just assumed everyone did.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:06 pm to
I think the bigger picture here is a 17 year old who has already decided his future as an architect.

Show of votes....


Upvote if you don’t work in the field you chose when you were 17-20 years old.

Downvote if you do.
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
51285 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:21 pm to
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UGA does/did it that way so I just assumed everyone did.




I can tell you with 100% certainty they don't anymore, weather they did in the past i don't know. Its 12 months before the first day of classes.
Posted by BearsFan
Member since Mar 2016
1286 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 5:27 pm to
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Downvote if you do.



I do work in the field i was planning on in high school, and the vast majority of people I work with knew in high school they would be doing this (or something very similar). Now a TON of people thought they would be doing this and veered off on the way and aren't doing this.

As far as the architecture stuff, I have no clue. So I am not going to offer advice. But I have always heard that it is one of the most demanding majors just cause the projects take a long time to do.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 7:27 pm to
Do whatever results in having no debt, I would only pay out of state tuition, or go to a private school if it was on a full ride scholarship. For undergrad there are only 3 or 4 schools in the nation that would offer enough additional value to offset being in debt. My son graduated from Purdue in engineering, Purdue is usually ranked the 5th or 6th best engineering school in the nation. He has a good job and income, but not any better than he could have gotten with a LSU degree. Fortunately he was able to go to Purdue with no debt.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
68872 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 7:46 pm to
Just remember 90% of (insert profession) don't have a degree from a top 5 school.

Could you imagine racking up all that debt and then deciding you hate the major? Suddenly you go from a top 5 major to a top 200 major at the school for the same cost. Gives me the willies thinking about it.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20348 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:05 pm to
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I keep hearing this, but i worked my entire undergrad in mechanical engineering. I have a hard time believing Architecture is THAT much more demanding, I could be wrong.


My best friend was in the architecture program at Auburn our freshman year. I hung out with him in the studio or on holidays. They broke him and he switched majors. His experience was definitely “live in the studio 24 hours a day.”

Of course my other close friend did mechanical engineering and spent at least 8 hours a day studying or doing coursework. But he wasn’t doing as much creative work, so he could learn and practice the math concepts and then be done. I think studio work is tough because you’re having to create something that impresses professors, and creativity might require an extensive amount of time just to get started.
Posted by Breadcrumbs
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
3016 posts
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:12 pm to
Go for no debt. It's not worth crawling out of for 10-20 years. You'll have peace of mind and confidence without having the debt hanging over your head. It's who you are and what you can do, not your school. Good luck!
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32644 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 1:30 am to
Georgia Tech isn’t worth the money unless you’re getting an engineering degree

And going to Virginia Tech basically assumes you stick with architecture and graduate in it. Otherwise it’s not a good decision. A majority of college students change major, so I think it’s likely you don’t stick with it

I’d avoid the debt and go to LSU. If you’re the one paying for it, you make the decision, and the best decision here is no debt
Posted by Majestikhobo
Member since Apr 2018
12 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:33 am to
Thank you all so much. It's insightful to hear different perspectives and advices. I'm more confident in myself right now, and I've decided to commit to LSU.
Posted by Majestikhobo
Member since Apr 2018
12 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 2:33 am to
quote:

quote:
Almost as importantly, as a GT alum it is worth noting that there are no girls there


This is the kind of thing that I'm calling for him to consider. GT is like 70-80% dudes...




I'm actually a girl.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16678 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 4:03 am to
$120K @4% for 15yrs is $888/month repayment with $40K in interest.

Thats $160K total. Over $200K pretax income to pay for the school loan.

The answer is easy, go to LSU. I got a couple of good buddies that graduated architecture from LSU. One works in Dallas and the other in Houston. Both doing very well.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6613 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 5:37 am to
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decided to go to LSU


BOOM! Welcome aboard.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 9:25 am to
Good for you. Now that the decision is made, think about your summer plans. Travel, please. Too many LSU folks see travel as a retirement goal rather than as an essential part of becoming a well rounded human.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 9:46 am to
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I'm actually a girl.


We need a rimshot smilie on here.

Although architecture wasn't my field of study, I can say that attending a higher ranked school (undergrad and MBA) was little more than a conversation starter for me. And by the time I hit 30, it was barely even that. By then, the experience on your resume will/should speak for itself. I realize that different people in different fields will have varying experiences and opinions. But one thing is fairly certain: paying off an extra $100K+ in debt (that likely won't be made up for in salary, just because of school choice) will set you behind for years to come.

Personally, I think that you're making the wisest decision. And I would save Hungryone's initial reply. She's giving some good life advice there.
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