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re: Anybody ever say "screw it" & cash out retirement while relatively young to pay off debt?
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
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Dave Ramsey (I know people on this board don't like him, but hang on) says to not contribute ANYTHING to retirement (not even enough to get a match) until all your debt is paid off.
So forgo a 100% return to pay off debt that's at 5% or 10% or even 25%? That's the worst financial advice I've ever heard.
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:40 am to bigtruckin1775
quote:The odds that someone that named himself bigtruckin works in hedge fund/PE is less than one-hundredth of a percent. If you're one of those to really beat the odds, hmu as I'd like a job.
Look, if you ignore the fact that all these other posters are dump and/or have a "friend" who has done something stupid, from a pure MATH standpoint, it's about comparing rate of return. I suspect I'm the only one here who has any kind of fund/PE background, because all I'm hearing from the down voters is: I know a guy who cashed out and bought a truck and now is screwed...The assumptions I make when answering your question are: 1)you're not an idiot and don't currently run a personal budget deficit, 2) you passed algebra 1 and and can do rudimentary math problems. It's a simply TMV problem. Instead of paying money on your debt at a high interest rate, pay it off with your IRA money and start putting the money you were paying on your debt towards your retirement. You will have more when you retire in the long run this way because math says so. It's so simple. Don't listen to these idiots. .
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 3/1/19 at 11:48 am to cahoots
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So forgo a 100% return to pay off debt that's at 5% or 10% or even 25%? That's the worst financial advice I've ever heard.
It has already been said many times in this thread, psychology can be more important in the struggle to get out of debt than math. Mathematically there are many situations where forgoing a 100% return on a small amount of money for 1 or 2 years to pay off debt is the better choice. It all depends on the amount of 401K contributions, amount of of debt, interest rates, and the timeframe the debt would likely be held if not paid off.
This post was edited on 3/1/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/1/19 at 4:40 pm to cahoots
quote:
So forgo a 100% return to pay off debt that's at 5% or 10% or even 25%? That's the worst financial advice I've ever heard.
LOL.
Imagine...
1) the match is 50%, not 100%, so it's a 50% "return"
2) An interest rate north of 28-30 percent (or more)
3) If you take the money needed to get the match and pay off the debt, it's done in a year, and then you can take both the min payment money, and the extra money that was going to the 401K originally, and put it into the 401K (so now you are contributing MORE after 1 year then you were)
4) If you don't redirect the money from the 401K to the loan payment, it will take you 4 years, instead of 1 to pay it off.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:59 am to Ace Midnight
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So, recall that "Math" + "Human beings" = "Something other than math"
Funny, but true.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:16 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:what?
1) the match is 50%, not 100%, so it's a 50% "return
quote:Add the 10% penalty to that.
2) An interest rate north of 28-30 percent (or more)
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:04 pm to GetCocky11
401k loan is a high risk option. You face taxes and penalties on the balance if you lose or leave your job and can't pay it off. Also, many borrowers reduce contributions while paying off the 401k loan.
I agree with thosee saying you can't ignore the impact of psychology on finances. Quick fixes are unlikely to lead to long-term behavior modification and you'll likely find yourself back in another hole later.
I agree with thosee saying you can't ignore the impact of psychology on finances. Quick fixes are unlikely to lead to long-term behavior modification and you'll likely find yourself back in another hole later.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:24 pm to castorinho
quote:
what?
A match rate of 50 cents on the dollar. Not dollar for dollar.
quote:
Add the 10% penalty to that.
And?
Posted on 3/2/19 at 2:32 pm to EA6B
I have utilized this strategy the past three years. I haven't contributed any to 401k and now have zero debt (minus mortgage) while paying my way through grad school (and supporting a family). Being unleveraged is the way to go.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 7:49 pm to AUCE05
quote:
I haven't contributed any to 401k and now have zero debt (minus mortgage) while paying my way through grad school (and supporting a family).
And you can now save at a greater rate.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 8:38 pm to GetCocky11
I think you should withdraw it all and live large! You can always start over. If you die in two weeks from now, you will not have lived large yet.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:02 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Don't even consider it unless you are fully disciplined on all your debt habits. If you would just return to new credit card debt, then this would all be pointless. Trading retirement savings for student loan debt is not a bad idea as student loan interest can be a big burden.
with a clean slate of no student loan or credit card debt?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 3:41 pm to arcalades
I had a rollover IRA from a previous job with ~23k in it. I was ordered through divorce to transfer 15k of that to my ex wife. So I cashed out the rest of it to pay off the debts incurred by the divorce.
How dumb am I?
How dumb am I?
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:56 am to sonoma8
These are the types that could win the lottery and still end up broke. No amount of subsidies, welfare, or other freebies will get them out of their current state.
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