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Annuity for Part of Retirement

Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:22 pm
Posted by Kirby59
Rocket City
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:22 pm
I’m about 2 years from retiring and should have ~$2.5 mil in assets and no debt. Between my pension and SS, I should bring home about $6k per month. I’ve been talking with a financial advisor and he is telling me I should put $1 mil in a guaranteed annuity. Have never heard good things about annuities. Any thoughts or recommendations?
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5711 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:26 pm to
How much does he make on it?
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7730 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:30 pm to
Sounds like you will already have a good stream of steady income. Why do you need an annuity? Annuities have a bad reputation for being expensive. For some people, there might be a place for it, but I don't see why you need it.
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 9:34 pm
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20384 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:31 pm to
that is the first question to ask
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17260 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:32 pm to
I have never seen an annuity that I thought was a good idea, maybe there is one out there but I have never seen one. Is this one based on interest rates? Seems to be a bad time to buy a long term product that would be based on today’s rates if so?
Posted by ed3303
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2009
392 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 9:32 pm to
I would have no problem with putting some of my non-qualified assets into an annuity at retirement. What's the downside of creating an additional, tax advantaged, guaranteed pension for yourself? I know that there are some annuities out there that benefit the insurance company more than the owner of the annuity but I believe that some annuities, used with discretion can be beneficial.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/5/20 at 10:27 pm to
Can you live on your pension and SS with only a occasional supplement from your investment assets, or do you really need another source of guarantee income to make ends meet? If you don’t need more fixed income I would stay invested in equities, keeping a years worth of supplemental money in a cash equivalent type account so you are not forced to sell assets during a market correction.
Posted by JohnnyT
Central Texas
Member since Feb 2005
1806 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:35 am to
My situation is similar to yours. I have a couple of annuities set up with American Equity. The guaranteed payout rates are 4.4% and 4.6%. They include a "well being" clause (at least I think that's the term) to help cover home or institution health care. It's not sexy, but think of it as backup in case I need to draw on the income.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:53 am to
The astronomical fees and commissions that often accompany annuities are what makes most people steer clear of them. Definitely do your homework before jumping on that bandwagon. Sounds like you're already set up nicely anyway. Congrats on that!
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89545 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:54 am to
As with many things, there are good and bad - the only thing I will suggest you to consider:

Why are there so many folks selling annuities and at the same time so many companies advertising ways to get you out of one?

If I needed a "no shite" minimum return on the buy in, an annuity (as long as the costs are reasonable) wouldn't be the worst option. In your case, I would consider a bucket of dividend stocks or tax free munis, something that allows you to retain/recapture some measure of control AND liquidity, particularly as it is supplemental income.

In the alternative, leveraging $1m in revenue generating real estate or some other tangible asset can keep you busy and provide some tax advantages, particularly if you project to have a long retirement window.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17478 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:58 am to
Annuities are life insurance policies that provide an income for life. It's that simple. Much like a dependence on a pension and SS, the annuity brings the same reliability. It's a solid financial instrument for many people.

All annuities offer different benefits so know what you seek and be satisfied.

To those who have never run a calculation of earnings for brokerage or investment advisors, stop with the ignorance. Everyone in financial service earns an income based on deposited or growth values.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:01 am to
$1M seems a bit much. What is the name of the annuity product? FYI, he will probably make somewhere between 5-7% if he takes it up front. You can get a decent one for income for around 1% annually in fees.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119190 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:12 am to
quote:

he is telling me I should put $1 mil in a guaranteed annuity.


Nope
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:02 am to
quote:

$1M seems a bit much. What is the name of the annuity product? FYI, he will probably make somewhere between 5-7% if he takes it up front. You can get a decent one for income for around 1% annually in fees.




And this is exactly why the DOL & the SEC have been trying to get a fiduciary law in place. I’m not a fan of big gov or more regulations but to pitch this guy a $1mm annuity is absurd.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
2538 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:29 am to
i bought two a few years back when retired...

basic rec is ...add ss and annuities to cover your required living expense.

then do a mix of stocks bonds real estate for surplus spending and inflation..

i bought two immediate fixed income ones through fidelity...new york life and gaurdian...
get about 5.15 percent ...and get checks every month for rest of my life and if i die my wife gets the same amount check until she dies. if we both die before they pay out my initial investment they will pay back unpaid portion to my kids...

they are not backed by feds but each state has some backing which is why they ask were you live..texas backs 250k per company..so in texas break the milion into four ... with your other annuities (ss and retirement a million is on the high side) start with 250-500k

do you not like buying corp bonds??? i have a lot of those and average 4 ish on that bucket and a mix of high yield big cap dividend stocks (5-10 percent) i treat those like bonds ..and then a different equity bucket ( to address inflation..the dividend for the equity funds are about 2 percent and all i would take from it...any growth over that us for inflation which is not in my annuities i bought) ..and real estate bucket pulling in over 5percent)

fidelity has a bunch of research and model stuff on this topic in their website...
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17478 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:36 am to
quote:

And this is exactly why the DOL & the SEC have been trying to get a fiduciary law in place.

Incorrect. Investments banks vs. insurance is the reason. With the introduction of indexed annuities the investment banks took a defensive position. Interest credited based on index returns vs market risk on retirement holdings during a distribution phase. Add to that retirement savings balances moving out of the market and into annuities for retirement income.

Fiduciary is the false flag. Investment banks do not operate in a fiduciary manner.

Definition of fiduciary (Entry 1 of 2)
: of, relating to, or involving a confidence or trust: such as
a: held or founded in trust or confidence
a fiduciary relationship
a bank's fiduciary obligations
b: holding in trust
c: depending on public confidence for value or currency.

Use the market for market purposes. Annuities do have a use in retirement. Do not place this post as an all or nothing position. Asset diversification is always to be practiced, not just diversification of market holdings.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:43 am to
It is correct bc these products provide an inherent conflict of interest (including and especially indexed annuities) that lots of times can’t be steered away from by the advisor since it’s the only damn thing they can offer.
Just like with whole life Insurnace argument as well, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

But back to my point, a client needs to understand the difference of being in a well diversified portfolio and paying 1% per year as a fee or locking in half their net worth into a fixed product, and paying $60,000 in commission to someone for a product that they likely can never get out of.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:50 am
Posted by gatorsimz
cafe risque
Member since Feb 2009
8135 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:11 am to
For some people, annuities are a good way to distribute a portion of retirement savings to supplement SS and cover a bare minimum monthly income. However, you already have an income stream of $6k from a pension and SS, an annuity doesn’t make much sense. I would try to find a fee-based advisor and not a broker. Not to say one is better than the other, but some brokers do have that commission incentive. If that advisor gets 5% on your annuity, he’d get a $50k payout and potentially more with bonuses involved. Regardless, good advisors are hard to come by, so shop around.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17478 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:20 am to
quote:

It is correct bc these products provide an inherent conflict of interest (including and especially indexed annuities) that lots of times can’t be steered away from by the advisor since it’s the only damn thing they can offer.

I'm sorry that you disagree, but it is the truth that the markets are in a constant war with insurance over the money. There is no conflict of interest because of the application of "interest". Interest earned can be applied by any means agreed, and use of the index returns pokes the market bear where it makes them upset. Fixed annuities offer guarantees that markets cannot, and are overseen by 50 state's commissioners, something that investment banks do not have (they have self-oversight and self-regulation).

Your steering remark is interesting in as much as it can be said the same for the investment advisor who doesn't offer anything other than risk.

The OP can consider using fixed annuities for a portion of his retirement income. It would be a terrible outcome if OP took a 30% loss on market holdings during retirement distribution. Buffer assets are valuable. Not knowing more than OP states, I don't comment on the amounts. There is no absolute.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:25 am to
Bro, you are so lost. You literally just stated investment companies don’t have any regulation except themselves? FINRA?

What licensing do you need to sell these indexed annuities vs a managed portfolio? Lol.

Better yet, how does an insurance company make money with these products? Tell me what the insurance company invest in to provide this guaranteed income stream, go ahead.
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