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re: A reality check on this stock market decline
Posted on 3/13/25 at 6:54 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 3/13/25 at 6:54 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
It may be a good time to short the European market.
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:01 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Vanguard European index is up over 12% VTIAX is up 6.6%. Only took 15 fricking years I'm not bitter! Who's laughing now!
Imagine the money you’d have if you put that money towards something American. Like, Ford, Boeing, or Intel.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:17 pm to Skippy1013
I think the disconnect is illustrated by this thread. This is clearly not a “market correction”; the market going down is due to uncertainty due to Trump’s trade war. Now, reasonable people can certainly argue about whether the trade war is a good idea, but writing it off as a “correction” is simply disingenuous, in my opinion.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:47 pm to Bonkers119
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Bonkers119
Proven paid shill for the LA democratic committee and campaigned for JBE, Kamala and Cleo Fields
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:47 pm to fareplay
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I think the gripe I have is that it didn’t have to be this way. This was forced and that’s what’s frustrating
Best case scenario, what do we gain from this shite show? A couple hundred thousand manufacturing jobs? What about all the businesses which go under because they can’t import goods to make their American
made/manufactured goods?
I don’t think a lot of folks who blindly support Trump understand what’s coming down the pike if tariffs drive inflation while GDP shrinks under a recession. Stagflation is no fricking joke. Unlike inflation on its own, or a recession on its own, we don’t have a weapon to stop stagflation.
It’s been 50 years since we’ve had stagflation (Ford>Carter>early Reagan). Do you hear your parents speak fondly of Carter’s economy? At least he didn’t do it on purpose.
Congress are supposed to be the only ones who can levy tariffs. Where are our senators and representatives? Why are they watching this happen?
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:24 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Best case scenario, what do we gain from this shite show? A couple hundred thousand manufacturing jobs? What about all the businesses which go under because they can’t import goods to make their American made/manufactured goods?
It’s pretty amazing how quickly opinions have changed about trade policy. For years people complained NAFTA was a net loss for the average American worker. Within the past three months it’s shifted completely to “well, maybe it didn’t work out as we hoped, but we just need to accept it and move on”
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:50 pm to lsuconnman
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It’s pretty amazing how quickly opinions have changed about trade policy. For years people complained NAFTA was a net loss for the average American worker. Within the past three months it’s shifted completely to “well, maybe it didn’t work out as we hoped, but we just need to accept it and move on”
Trump replaced NAFTA with USMCA in 2020, so what was the point of that now?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:26 pm to Motownsix
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Why are you buying everyday if you think the decline will continue? Typically I don’t buy things today if I think I can get a better price tomorrow.
Good luck with that timing.
Any rational investor knows they cannot time things with any regularity.
I made a post a while back (December 2023) when people were saying the market is at all time highs and you should pull back. It’s up like 20% since then.
The more interesting fact from that post is that since 1993, there is a 5% chance that the next trading day is the lowest the stock market will ever be again. If you think you can hit that perfect, be my guest, but that’s good enough odds that I don’t mind buying and buying more if it falls.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:29 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Trump replaced NAFTA with USMCA in 2020, so what was the point of that now?
His own comments when it passed…
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I will say that we just ended a nightmare known as NAFTA. (Applause.) They took our — they took our jobs for a long time. They took it for a long time. And we now have a brand-new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement. It’s a whole different ballgame, and it’s going to be great for this plant. It’s going to be incredible for Michigan and for every place else in our country. The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It’s the best agreement we’ve ever made, and we have others coming. And, by the way, the China deal, two weeks ago, was just signed. And that’s going to bring $250 billion into our country. (Applause.) One after another. But we’re bringing your jobs back to America. Jobs are coming back, and they’re coming back fast, and they’re coming right here to Michigan. They are coming rapidly. You see what’s going on.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:07 pm to slackster
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His own comments when it passed…
Bro it’s 4D chess just trust me bro…
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:25 pm to Joshjrn
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Bro it’s 4D chess just trust me bro…
If you were tasked by an American enemy to considerably diminish American power, what would you do?
-crash the economy
-betray allies
-greatly weaken government institutions
-sow domestic violence????
not sayin', just sayin'. I'm really struggling to see this administration's behavior through the lens of "America First".
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:42 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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mmmmmbeeer
See, yall go past the point of being critical to being partisan.
Trump has had some missteps this term, but the guy was president before. Saying he’s trying to diminish American power is asinine.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:54 pm to mmmmmbeeer
The world is changing quickly. A lot of our allies seem determined to follow the same old shitty playbook into the ground.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:10 pm to slackster
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missteps
That’s generous.
I hope the guy turns it around and gets some pragmatic people in his ear. I’m just truly struggling trying to understand why he’s done the things he’s done.
Dude, Canada. What the actual frick?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:36 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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crash the economy
-betray allies
-greatly weaken government institutions
-sow domestic violence????
not sayin', just sayin'. I'm really struggling to see this administration's behavior through the lens of "America First".
You are going to complain no matter what. Dont try and fool anyone
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:58 pm to SDVTiger
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You are going to complain no matter what. Dont try and fool anyone
wasnt he the groomer clown who was destroyed on the poliboard?
Posted on 3/14/25 at 6:01 am to TigerHornII
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We are 30 years past due for a trade reset with the rest of the world. It is also a decade past time for Canada and Mexico to do a better job with border control and drug issues. This is short term pain for long term gain.
Totally agree with this sentiment but even this mindset shows how spoiled we are. What pain are any of us really experiencing? My life isn’t any different today than it was last month. People are acting as if the market corrected 10% and we are all in a soup line. Trump is going to reset US trade dynamics and it is going to be glorious.
Posted on 3/14/25 at 7:23 am to TigerHornII
The problem with this response is it doesn't recognize that big business can't plan/predict what POTUS is going to do, thus this is how the markets respond. If what he did was done in a staged, predictable manner, we would have a different market response.
Posted on 3/14/25 at 7:32 am to mmmmmbeeer
You're very confident Trump will cause significantly more damage. Have you sold all of your investments?
Posted on 3/14/25 at 7:43 am to Bonkers119
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Trump could have come in and sat on an economy and stock market that was humming along, instead he’s tanked it 10+% in 4 weeks. Such a great business man (con-man)he is.
Wrong. The market was set to correct regardless as the S&P charts indicated.
They would’ve corrected under Kamala as well, likely with a different catalyst (excessive debt to GDP, geopolitical tensions, etc.).
Don’t invest if you think who is POTUS makes a huge difference in the long run.
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