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A Letter to President Trump on why rates should be lowered

Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:00 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:00 am
Put this on the Poli but probably better here

Tldr i know

good friend Barry Habib wrote this to Orange Bad. Bessent also has this

Its telling him that the metrics used for Inflation readings are wrong
Certain posters think inflation is super high but thats due to shelter readings which are vastly overstated. Powell acknowledged this again yesterday

Rates need to be cut aggressively we are at or below the 2% target

quote:
Dear President Trump,

It’s always an honor to see you at Mar-a-Lago. Recently, Roger Stone suggested I share my thoughts with you on ways to make housing more affordable by using more updated and indicative inflation metrics.

I understand how important low rates are to you and our country, and I believe that the Fed can be influenced to cut rates aggressively if they understood how flawed their methodology is.

The Fed believes that inflation is too high. Their favorite measure of inflation, Core PCE (Personal Consumption Expenditures) sits at 2.8%, much higher than their 2% target. Core CPI (Consumer Price Index) is another important measure that sits at 3.25%, also much higher than their 2% target.

Their constant jawboning about needing to get inflation under control has caused concerns in the bond market, which has caused longer-term interest rates to remain stubbornly high, thus hurting home affordability.

The problem is that the Fed’s methodology is flawed and antiquated. The largest part of the Core inflation calculation is Shelter. As you know, this measures actual rents, as well as the imputed guesswork of what an owner would charge rent for their home, not home prices or mortgage payments. While this type of data gathering can be improved, the major problem is the lag in the data compared to what is happening in real-time.

Shelter is the largest component in both readings, and accounts for 18% of Core PCE and a whopping 46% of Core CPI. Therefore, it is critical that these readings are reflective of what is actually happening because they will influence both the Fed and bond market.

To give you an idea of how important and impactful this is, the Shelter components in PCE and CPI are as follows:

· PCE Shelter: +4.8% year-over-year as of November (most recent data)

· CPI Shelter: +4.6% year-over-year as of December

Both of these readings account for the lion’s share of the perceived inflation problem and are also in major contrast to real-time data. There are multiple readily available, reliable sources like CoreLogic, showing that rents on a blended basis between new and renewals are actually up just 1.5% year-over-year. Other sources like Apartment List and Realtor.com, which measure new rents, can be blended with sources like Zillow, which measures renewal rents, to show an identical result of a 1.5% annual increase. This is good data that tells us that both PCE and CPI are dramatically overstating inflation.

Eventually, these numbers will catch up, but it will take the better part of a year to do so. I will offer an explanation below on the current flawed methodology, and how it has kept interest rates both higher and lower than they should’ve been, causing boom and bust cycles. But first, let’s take a look at how the Fed, through this miscalculation, was complicit in causing the inflation problem that we have experienced.

Back in 2022, anyone with a bit of common sense, or who had first-hand grocery shopping experience, would have known that inflation was rising quickly. But the Fed kept fueling the flames of inflation with QE and zero interest rates. Their rationale was due to low numbers on both Core PCE and Core CPI. However, these numbers were being held artificially low due to the enormous weighting in Shelter, which was reporting low numbers due to the aforementioned lag. Had they used a real-time look at Shelter, they would have seen that inflation was already becoming problematic and would have moved more quickly to preempt the inflation that was about to come.

Here is a look at how the BLS and BEA calculations on Shelter create a lag:

Their calculations look at the country in six segments … they call them Panels: A, B, C, D, E, and F. Each Panel takes a turn in being used for the government’s inflation calculation. Apparently, the BLS is not equipped to handle looking at all six segments each month. Years ago, this type of real-time and reliable data from sources outside of the BLS may not have been available. Today, we should consider using this data since the BLS may not have the ability to expeditiously calculate this information. Let’s look at an example of how this can generate a significant lag during periods of inflection.

In January, the government will use Panel A … only Panel A, so the other five regions are ignored. Then each following month, one of the other regions is calculated. The obvious problem is that the next time we have a look at Panel A is in July. That means that any change in rents, like the significant decreases we’ve been seeing of late, are not factored in for six months. To add insult to injury, the calculation also fails to contemplate that when Panel A is surveyed for the amount of rent being paid, it may be reflective of a lease that was signed several months earlier.

We estimate, and back-testing data supports this, that the lag is approximately one year. This also explains why the government is looking at 4.6% to 4.8% Shelter

that the lag is approximately one year. This also explains why the government is looking at 4.6% to 4.8% Shelter readings, when the real number is approximately 1.5%. Now let’s take a look at the impact this has …

Core PCE currently 2.8%

Shelter component weighting 18.0%



Government data Shelter 4.8%

Actual market data Shelter 1.5%

Overstatement of Shelter 3.3%



If the actual Shelter reading of 1.5% were used, the overall Core PCE inflation rate would be 2.2%.

Using the same calculation on Core CPI, the inflation reading would be 1.8%.

If both the Fed and markets were looking at these readings, it would paint a completely different and more realistic picture on inflation. As a result, I believe the Fed would be looking to cut rates aggressively, and the bond market would also improve significantly with mortgage rates closer to 6%.

A simple change to a more real-time methodology would solve the current problem and may assist in preventing future miscalculations on Fed action.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:29 am to
So the hope is that Trump cuts rates?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:55 am to
quote:

So the hope is that Trump cuts rates?


Yes Trump needs to walk in to the Fed Reserve and pull the reduce rates lever

This letter just further proves how many (you especially) dont know how to read an inflation report
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:59 pm to
There's no doubt the inflation reading is wrong, but you can't cherry-pick which data you want to look at. Yes, that information looks to be accurate enough (without going to check) but the Feds reading also says health insurance costs are negative over the past 5 years...
quote:

The medical care CPI also includes a price index for health insurance. This index measures retained earnings of health insurers – it is not a reflection of the premiums they set. The health insurance CPI fell from an annual increase of 28.2% in September 2022 (the all-time high) to a decrease of -4.2% in June 2024. However, the health insurance CPI presents data that is almost one-year lagged, so it is not representative of current price changes. In fact, the health insurance CPI through September 2022 reflects insurers’ margins in 2020, as they paid lower medical claims than in a typical year. Nevertheless, insurers likely saw lower margins, on average, in 2021 and 2022 than they had been in the first year of the pandemic due to returning utilization.

My homeowner's insurance is up 37.5% over last year.
My auto insurance up another 11%

I could also argue these are up because of inflation that already happened, but to suggest there is 1.8% inflation right now because we "fixed the glitch" is insane. We loved the fed when they pinned the rate to zero for 14 years, but now the president should pressure them since we have to pay for it. DV away.

eta. and NETFLIX just upped my rate 16.6% again today!
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
288 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:06 pm to
quote:


My homeowner's insurance is up 37.5% over last year.
My auto insurance up another 11%


How about your health insurance? According to math donkeys at the Bureau of Labor Statistics health insurance is down over 30% in the last year.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:23 pm to
Home prices are up 5.7% nationwide - and that doesn't even account for the interest rates. That would tend to be your biggest expense...
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

Yes Trump needs to walk in to the Fed Reserve and pull the reduce rates lever
So what are you proposing Trump does?

quote:


This letter just further proves how many (you especially) dont know how to read an inflation report
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
1489 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

How about your health insurance? According to math donkeys at the Bureau of Labor Statistics health insurance is down over 30% in the last year.


My premiums on Blue Cross supplemental have dropped a bit the past 2 years. In 2024 the drop was about $12 and this year it's $7.50/month.

But, homeowners and auto jumped about the percentage amount of the poster you responded to.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

There's no doubt the inflation reading is wrong, but you can't cherry-pick which data you want to look at.


Shelter makes up about 50% of the reading. Thats not really cherry picking

Insurance especially Motor was a big factor on higher inflation for a while
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

So what are you proposing Trump does?


Get qith Bessent (who has the letter) and report accurate numbers

Powell said yesterday (3rd time) that the data is off

Not sure what you find funny you clearly dont know how to rwad the report
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:56 pm to
So wait, you want it to count 46% to make your argument, but you also want to correct the numbers significantly to make your argument?

Is it more or less significant? I really can’t tell. If OER is substantially lower as you point out, and it’s overweighted as it ignores that 66% of us own, not rent and about 10% of renters are subsidized, and ignores that all of these other expenses aren’t properly calculated, and even Powell said it was wrong 3 times and and and maybe it’s more complicated than we want lower rates so look at this statistic!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 4:57 pm to
quote:


Not sure what you find funny you clearly dont know how to rwad the report
I find the framing of the Letter funny.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

So wait, you want it to count 46% to make your argument, but you also want to correct the numbers significantly to make your argument?


No. Shelter makes up 46% of the report
They use a survey for rent #s by calling homeowners and asking "how much can you rent your house for?"

"Homeowner- 10mil a month!"

"wonderful we will add that to the numbers"

Thats how they get the rental figures. So at the moment they using like 4.8% rent when its 1.4%

If you can do math thats clearly overstated. So CPI should be at 2.0 or 1.8 at Feds target which means they should be cutting rates faster which Mortgage rates will lower making house more affordable wink wink

Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2896 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

“Rate cuts are on the menu!”
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1500 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 5:22 am to
Maybe a letter to POTUS on why he should make America great again could be next.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9627 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:12 am to

quote:

Their constant jawboning about needing to get inflation under control has caused concerns in the bond market, which has caused longer-term interest rates to remain stubbornly high, thus hurting home affordability.


Longer term treasury rates are “stubbornly high” because they have greater risk ….. risk that is directly tied to runaway US Debt.

Until the US gets its current spending problems under visible control, it will struggle to attract buyers for UST like we were able to in the past.

Is inflation still “transitory?”


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Is inflation still “transitory?”


No its at 2% target or below. Thats why rate cuts will happen this year

1% or more
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:58 am to
The 10 year treasury - which the Fed doesn’t control - disagrees with your posts. /end
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93783 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:09 am to
quote:

The 10 year treasury - which the Fed doesn’t control - disagrees with your posts. /end


Well yeah cause the data being used is wrong. I mean thats the point of his letter
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11067 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:28 am to
quote:

Thats why rate cuts will happen this year




You are still melting over this. We might get one or two small rate cuts. Your wishcasting for more doesn't make it anymore likely to happen.
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