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3 more yrs of zero interest

Posted on 9/16/20 at 5:50 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19600 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 5:50 pm
So I fully admit that I am no where near as astute on macro economic and banking as most of you put this just seems like the FED is asking for trouble.

MT gurus please put my mind at ease.

Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3182 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 6:39 pm to
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MT gurus please put my mind at ease.


We are in uncharted territory
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4591 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 6:44 pm to
Up is Down. In the log run debt will come due. Period.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19600 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:34 pm to
For the USA maybe, this has been tried before, ie Japan and it didn't have good results.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6217 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:19 pm to
Gold
Preferred Stock

Avoid leveraged companies - their bubble will burst.

Bonds will be hurt at some point when rates start to rise.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Dandaman
Louisiana
Member since May 2017
705 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:47 pm to
What did japan do? Please explain
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
4234 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:56 pm to
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What did japan do? Please explain

For your viewing pleasure.
Japan Lost Decade
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:22 pm to
the fed doesn't know what they're going to do 6 months from now, much less for the next 3 years. I wouldn't put much stock into what they say. It's a war; disinformation is more convenient than truth.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:18 pm to
My take: Fed is desperate for inflation because they view it as the solution to the ballooning debt and are even more concerned about deflationary forces.

Their asset purchases, forward guidance and interest rate policy might be viewed as inflationary but for weak aggregate demand that is likely to persist much longer than a quick V shaped recovery would have suggested.

Even though inflation would be a brutal tax on the U.S’s aging population, the Fed and short term minded politicians would prefer it to the uncomfortable belt tightening austerity would require.

Thus, rather than do what’s right, they’re doing what they view as expedient. The problem for them is that their policies continue to experience diminishing marginal returns, such that the inflation they wish to create may prove elusive.

If we’re finally forced to take our medicine, that’s likely bearish for stocks, bullish for safe haven assets like government bonds and the dollar, and bad for individuals, governments and companies who have become overly indebted.
Posted by schexyoung
Deaf Valley
Member since May 2008
6534 posts
Posted on 9/16/20 at 11:10 pm to
They have been trying to ramp up inflation for decades with no success.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 2:54 am to
ubi will get us inflation that we need dude. just you wait dude. coming sooner than later. few understand
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 7:07 am to
I think the chances of deflation are also the highest they’ve been in a while. Some countries are already there or almost there:





This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 9:06 am
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 7:55 am to
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ubi will get us inflation that we need dude. just you wait dude. coming sooner than later. few understand


When do you expect that to show up in the bond market?
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:10 am to
dude I'm not bullish on usd or bonds at all. gl w that theory
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:15 am to
I wasn’t assuming you were bullish on bonds. You seemed to suggest inflation was coming. If that were obvious, you’d see it in the bond market in the form of higher yields, especially on longer dated bonds. But so far the bond market doesn’t appear to be concerned about inflation in the slightest. Hence my question: when do you expect it to start showing up?
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48549 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:25 am to
It's going to be good for the stock market while it lasts
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:52 am to
i think fed wants inflation but nothing they are doing is causing inflation to happen. m2 chart says money is not circulating like they want it to be. ppl are nervous right now so that's why I think ubi could come to give ppl confidence that govt will print them a check every month and spend spend spend

two great twitter follows and writers for me are @preston psych and @jeffbooth

price of tomorrow very great book for us thinkers.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 8:52 am
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:07 am to
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price of tomorrow very great book for us thinkers.


That does look interesting - thanks.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:22 am to
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for us thinkers.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11104 posts
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:27 am to
Careful on the Japanese comparisons. Our QE programs are much different than theirs and Europe.
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