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re: 100K Net Worth

Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:16 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:16 pm to
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The bank owns the house if you still owe $180k on it.
Uh no. I owe money on my house, but it's mine. I own it. I can sell it and collect the proceeds, the bank can't. The bank owns my debt, not my house. My house is my asset, my debt is the bank's asset.
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Honestly wtf am I reading.
Wondering the same thing.
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
3695 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:17 pm to
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rocket31


No one is disputing that. You should probably log out.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:27 pm to
No. The bank has a lien on the house that you own. Just like if you finance a car, or anything else. You are confusing leasing with financing.

After seeing how many people in this thread can't wrap their heads around addition and subtraction, I don't think I will bag on the Ramsey method on this board going forward. Clearly there are some lukewarm IQs that read this board.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:39 pm to
Well this thread got real dumb real quick.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89545 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:41 pm to
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Well this thread got real dumb real quick.


And when you consider how unlikely that is - with the relatively higher caliber of brain - typically - on the money board, it is a little shocking how dumb and how quickly.



:iamdisappointedwithmoneyboard:
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26579 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

The bank owns the house if you still owe $180k on it.


And therefore you cannot have equity in the house?

Posted by nelatf
NELA
Member since Jan 2011
2296 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:45 pm to
86th percentile


Need to save more
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:49 pm to
My wife and I just hit 100k in the last month. She just turned 25, I'm about to turn 26. I don't really feel like it is a big accomplishment because we have so much further to go.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83583 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:55 pm to
between retirement accounts and the equity on my house, I had just about $100k networth at 30, maybe a little before

I don't know if that is an accomplishment or not. My networth doesn't pay the bills.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:00 pm to
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I don't know if that is an accomplishment or not. My networth doesn't pay the bills



Ditto.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80780 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:26 pm to
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rocket31
I'm confused at where your stance is...confirm if this is your viewpoint:

Person A has $100,000 in a bank with zero liabilities and rents.

Person B has $100,000 in a bank and takes $50,000 to put a down payment on a $250,000 house.


Person A has a net worth of $100,000 and person B has a net worth of negative $150,000?

That is what that flying tiger guy was saying and it seemed like you agreed right?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 5:27 pm
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97645 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:45 pm to
Every time net worth is discussed on td the stupid comes out. It's amazing how many people can't calculate it.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80155 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:50 pm to
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1x salary at 30 is good, but not necessarily outstanding.


The guidelines from Fidelity are:

1x @ 35
2x @ 40
3x @ 45
5x @ 50
etc...

Up to 8 times at 65 if I remember correctly.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33963 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:57 pm to
I feel a bit better about my situation after reading this. I'm behind either way and need to pick up the pace.

32
$20k Roth IRA, etc
$22k Home Equity
$7k Student Loan debit
$183k Mortgage debt
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

Person A has a net worth of $100,000 and person B has a net worth of negative $150,000?

That is what that flying tiger guy was saying and it seemed like you agreed right?

wouldn't that be wrong though? i mean, the house is worth 250k (or current estimate).

eta: this thread is all retarded up.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 6:01 pm
Posted by jturn17
Member since Jan 2011
4978 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

The bank owns the house if you still owe $180k on it.

The bank doesn't own the house until they foreclose on your loan. You own the house. They own the loan. The concept really isn't that hard to understand.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2259 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

wouldn't that be wrong though? i mean, the house is worth 250k (or current estimate).

eta: this thread is all retarded up.


It's definitely wrong, that's the point.

There is a group of posters in this thread that are trying to include "Home Equity" as an asset and "Mortgage" as a liability, but Home Equity by definition has already factored in the cost of the mortgage.

You either have to (a) list the total home value as an asset and the mortgage as a liability or (b) list only Home Equity as an asset and not include the Mortgage at all (since its already included in calculating Home Equity).
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:07 pm to
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8157 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:19 pm to
quote:


The guidelines from Fidelity are:

1x @ 35
2x @ 40
3x @ 45
5x @ 50
etc...

Up to 8 times at 65 if I remember correctly.

I guess it is a good sign that I think that is an extremely conservative estimate?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80155 posts
Posted on 7/29/15 at 6:33 pm to
quote:

I guess it is a good sign that I think that is an extremely conservative estimate?




Yes, I am hoping to be at 2.5 to 3 times at age 35.

Here is the quote from fidelity

quote:

To simplify matters, we’ve created a rule of thumb: Save at least 8 times (X) your ending salary to help increase the odds that you won’t outlive your savings during 25 years in retirement. If that multiple seems daunting, don’t fret. You don’t need to save 8X from the start. Rather, you can step up to it over your working life.

For example, by age 35, Fidelity suggests that you should have saved 1X your current salary, then 3X by 45, and 5X by 55. “Setting up clear goals linked to your salary can help simplify your planning, and help you determine if you are on track throughout your working life,” says Fidelity Executive Vice President John Sweeney. “Having such guideposts is particularly important in today’s workplace, where layoffs, job switching, longer life expectancy, and escalating health care costs can complicate your efforts to save for retirement.”
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