re: You guys give O all the blame but none of the credit

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Iowa State and Kansas State are pretty good.

Miss State and Mizzou are terrible.

That’s what it means.

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24/7 Sports ranks State and Mizzou's rosters well ahead of Iowa State and way ahead of Kansas State.

I think it’s more that some think O deserves a lifetime pass for one great season.

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some think O deserves a lifetime pass for one great season.

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these fans are as bad as the ones who mention O being fired or in the hot seat after 3 games removed from greatest season ever

Does a win in Saturday mean it’s turned around?

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Of course he deserves some slack this year but the Gene Chizik 2.0 comparisons will continue until he turns it around.

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correct. Building a consistently elite program is far different than one spectacular year.

Does Cam and Gus = Burrow and Brady? We don't know yet. But those two horrific losses to two terrible teams is very, very bad.

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O has had a tending upwards since he took over. Last year was just when everything came together, he doesn’t deserve a lifetime pass, but he deserves some leniency for this year, we literally have an entire different team. And we showed improvement last week.

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His first two seasons were really no better than Miles' final seasons. Miles won 8 (reg season) games in 2014. Would have been 9 wins in 2015 but for the McNeese game being canceled. Miles pissed away what should have been a win vs. Bama in 2014. Then the series really started to get away from LSU (in terms of competitiveness) in 2015. O won 9 regular season games in both 17 and 18. He was no closer to beating Alabama in those years than Miles was in his final years.

The Brady hire (which brought with it a complete philosophy change on offense) changed everything and the stars aligned for 2019. Contrary to your OP, Orgeron received a TON of credit even though, realistically, the biggest impact was Brady.

Most LSU fan knew and accepted that a lot would be lost from that 2019 team. Both players and coaches. But O had earned the benefit of the doubt that he could hire a new set of great coordinators which is 100% necessary to any success O has as a HC. Yet, at a time when the "demand" to work at LSU may have never been higher...O hired two washed up guys with little to no market at all. More than that, he paid his DC almost the same amount as the prior DC despite the new DC having nothing close to the market demand for the old DC. 4 games in that decision is looking disasterous

I would imagine even the most optimistic LSU fan did not EXPECT national championship contender this year. But I don't think any fans were hoping that the program would go back to what it was under Miles (and to some extent Saban) whereby LSU was always good, with an occasional great year. The hope was that 2019 was the start of LSU being a perennial championship contender. Four games in to 2020 LSU has been shredded (on defense) twice by two teams even a lesser (relative to 2019) LSU team should beat.

If you told fans before the year that LSU would go 8-2, 7-3, with losses to some in the group of: Auburn, Alabama, Florida, A&M, no one would have been "happy", but they would have accepted it. But losing to fairly weak Miss. St and Mizzou teams isn't something fans were ok to accept. THAT'S why O is getting the heat...deservedly so.

That said, he still has a chance to turn it ALL around starting this weekend. Outside of Arkansas and Ole Miss, there are no more teams on the schedule LSU "should" beat. If he can find a way to run through the rest of the season with 5 more wins...then much of the start will be fogotten.

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When something bad happens it’s always “it’s start at the top.” But when we bring in a great transfer QB or a guy like Joe Brady. It’s just like those things just happened to happen. When we steal Arik Gilbert from out of state, it’s just luck I guess, but when we lose a recruit from Louisiana it’s bc “something is going on in the locker room”

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My position is this: O won a national championship. He fixed problems in the past, he should be able to fix them again. He seems to be acting with a sense of urgency. He has earned some trust and patience from the fan base.

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look, O gets credit for 2019.

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Thank you, the problem with some people is the act like 2019 didn't happen.

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But if that was just a one-shot deal for a year, and then O reverts back to 9-3 type seasons (not even counting this year, which is looking bad), then O deserves to feel some heat.

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I agree with this.

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Again, the Gene Chizik comparison is a fair question to ask. He caught lightning in a bottle with Cam and Gus for a year, and then didn't sustain that.

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Difference in the comparison is that once Cam left Chizik was toast, Myles Brennan started the year on a record pace for any starting LSU QB. Then Brennan gets injured and here comes TJ Finley, and the kid looks remarkable in his first start. Auburn didn't have anything close to capable QB after Cam left. Therein lies the difference IMO.

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So overall, O has a poor history hiring coordinators.

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and with all your negativity the man led us to the greatest year in LSU history

Baseball metaphor for our coaching hires

Canada: blind swing thinking it’s a fastball without knowing the pitcher throws a change up. Uneducated risk. shite results.

E: chocking up in the bad and just worrying about making contact. Safe pick. Safe results

Brady: betting a ace pitcher’s breaking ball isn’t going to hang, putting everything into that swing and rocking it. Educated risk that paid off huge.

Linehan: sac hunt to try and move the runners you already have on base over. Safe. Effective. Not the highest percentage play.