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re: Yahoo report re: Wade wiretap discuss IN THIS THREAD
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:51 pm to Woodman
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:51 pm to Woodman
I'll add one thing to the Will Wade plate to keep an eye on because it will have an impact on LSU. IF and WHEN Arizona fires Sean Miller at the end of the season be prepared to have the same pressure put on LSU to follow suit by firing Wade.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:52 pm to saintsfan22
Not in response to you - just replying to last post.
1) It is possible to assist the FBI with their investigation AND be subpoenaed by the defense to testify on their behalf. Happens pretty frequently.
2) Any chance at all - even minuscule - that WW was already helping the FBI when this call was made? (I know it’s not likely but is it possible?)
1) It is possible to assist the FBI with their investigation AND be subpoenaed by the defense to testify on their behalf. Happens pretty frequently.
2) Any chance at all - even minuscule - that WW was already helping the FBI when this call was made? (I know it’s not likely but is it possible?)
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:53 pm to Broski
We just need to lie, deny, and redirect.
We also need to start beating the drum loud as frick for paying players now.
We also need to start beating the drum loud as frick for paying players now.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:53 pm to Broski
Think about it though. LSU has been nothing in basketball since the last final four run and all the sudden gets a top 5 class because of winning tradition? Clay Travis hit the nail on 5he head. The fan base is in denial and had this report come out about Saban everyone would’ve grabbed their pitchforks already.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:53 pm to MrLSU
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IF and WHEN Arizona fires Sean Miller at the end of the season be prepared to have the same pressure put on LSU to follow suit by firing Wade.
Hopefully we take a hard pass.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:53 pm to Tigerfan7218
That's not the way the NCAA works. They don't have subponea powers nor can they force people to cooperate. They don't have to "prove" anything. They're perfectly content depending on hearsay, innuendo and circumstantial evidence.
When they investigate they piece together a version of events that they're satisfied actually happened. It's up to the university to appeal and make a case, proving it didn't happen.
Again, the UofL case is the perfect example. There wasn't a single shred of direct evidence proving money exchanged hands between a UofL staff member and the strippers. No paper trail, no nothing. There was actually court testimony and evidence (lack thereof) to the contrary.
The NCAA's core evidence was the biased testimony of recruits who were supposedly present and/or partook. I say biased because take Blakeney for example. The NCAA went to him and told him to play ball, tell them what they want to know, and they'd give him immunity. They dangled his eligibility over his head. That's coercion and it gave Blakeney every incentive to lie or to at least say whatever, trying to keep his eligibility and appease the NCAA.
Depending on how he chose to answer, Blakeney had a lot to lose or a lot to gain, which hardly make his words unbiased evidence; yet, his coerced, biased words, along with others, were enough for the NCAA to give out one of its harshest punishments in history and it has noting to do with them proving violations, but because UofL couldn't prove it didn't happen.
My point isn't that LSU is going to be targeted or unfairly punished, but instead that relying on "The NCAA can't prove it" is foolish and setting yourself up for failure. Always remember, they answer to no one in these situations. Whatever they say goes. They choose when, where, why and how to enforce the rules.
When they investigate they piece together a version of events that they're satisfied actually happened. It's up to the university to appeal and make a case, proving it didn't happen.
Again, the UofL case is the perfect example. There wasn't a single shred of direct evidence proving money exchanged hands between a UofL staff member and the strippers. No paper trail, no nothing. There was actually court testimony and evidence (lack thereof) to the contrary.
The NCAA's core evidence was the biased testimony of recruits who were supposedly present and/or partook. I say biased because take Blakeney for example. The NCAA went to him and told him to play ball, tell them what they want to know, and they'd give him immunity. They dangled his eligibility over his head. That's coercion and it gave Blakeney every incentive to lie or to at least say whatever, trying to keep his eligibility and appease the NCAA.
Depending on how he chose to answer, Blakeney had a lot to lose or a lot to gain, which hardly make his words unbiased evidence; yet, his coerced, biased words, along with others, were enough for the NCAA to give out one of its harshest punishments in history and it has noting to do with them proving violations, but because UofL couldn't prove it didn't happen.
My point isn't that LSU is going to be targeted or unfairly punished, but instead that relying on "The NCAA can't prove it" is foolish and setting yourself up for failure. Always remember, they answer to no one in these situations. Whatever they say goes. They choose when, where, why and how to enforce the rules.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:54 pm to Areddishfish
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The fan base is in denial
Not really. I think most people know college basketball is dirty at the top and we really don't give a shite.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:58 pm to Smalls

What is the Rookie minimum for playing under Will Wade?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 5:59 pm to MrLSU
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I'll add one thing to the Will Wade plate to keep an eye on because it will have an impact on LSU. IF and WHEN Arizona fires Sean Miller at the end of the season be prepared to have the same pressure put on LSU to follow suit by firing Wade.
Except Arizona sucked this year, have a separate grade fixing scandal going on, and Miller already has the "can't get over the hump" tag on him. Anybody pressuring LSU to fire Wade if Miller is let go is completely ignoring their situations.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:00 pm to Smalls
The saving grace may be Dawkins' defense team's objective to go scorched earth and take everybody they can down with them.
The more coaches and schools that get pulled into this mess the more likely the NCAA is to turn a blind eye....especially if the blue bloods are involved.
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Defense attorneys are in the process of formally filing subpoenas for both Wade and Arizona coach Sean Miller to testify for the defense at the second trial. Haney said he might try to bring in other coaches to the witness stand. “As many as I can get in the courtroom,” Haney said. “…We are going to pull back the curtains.”
The more coaches and schools that get pulled into this mess the more likely the NCAA is to turn a blind eye....especially if the blue bloods are involved.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:00 pm to MrLSU
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What is the Rookie minimum for playing under Will Wade?
A redshirt year.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:00 pm to MrLSU
Which he was obviously joking about because someone posted earlier that the NBA rookie minimum is something like 800k. C'mon, man. 

Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:01 pm to MrLSU
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What is the Rookie minimum for playing under Will Wade?
The nba rookie minimum is $840k
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:03 pm to UpToPar
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The more coaches and schools that get pulled into this mess the more likely the NCAA is to turn a blind eye....especially if the blue bloods are involved.
They are and everyone knows it including Will Wade.
NCAA may have a pretty strong incentive to see to it that Dawkins' case is settled before trial.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to Broski
Ok so there are several unanswered questions here. Based on any number of certain factors this could be big, which if you do your research it is big already, but what's wade's true part in all this? Don't know yet. That's why these assholes like Forde and Sclabaugh are lowlifes for this, because they dont even know all the facts about Wade's implication. This is stemming from an FBI investigation into the corruption of college basketball. So recently this Dawkins cat was convicted along with two execs from Adidas who were funneling money to the recruits of Kansas, Louiville, NC State in order to sign with said schools who have contracts with Adidas. None of the schools mentioned have faced any disciplinary action in this. So Dawkins was working with Adidas as their bagman who was in contact with Wade's bagman (unnamed third party). So is it not fishy that they have already handed out convictions to multiple ppl, it seems like they are not necessarily concerned with the schools or coaches in any kind of way but as witnesses. So he is only now being sobpenad in the case of 2 remaining defendants (I'm guessing one being Wade's bagman and the other would be Millers bagman?). If the FBI is investigating corruption and handing down sentences already then they are obviously not after Wade as it pertains to this specific case, but the bad thing is will more indictments be handed down at a later date. The whole sting is the corruption in college b ball so they obviously have way more evidence on this Dawkins cat...if that's all they have on Wade then if the FBI comes for him he might be good ...another theory is the coaches may have been involved in the sting helping the FBI for all we know. Did the NCAA bring the FBI into this? Or is the NCAA a potential target? The FBI did not just randomly start this investigation. What is the NCAAs involvement? Did they use informants inside the NCAA to help weed out all these leaches? Let's just say Wade was doing his thing and negotiating pay for play with Javonte. Ladies and gentlemen Will Wade is not dumb, do your research. He had a bagman originally who tried to undercut him by not providing Javontes mother with all the specifics in hope she would bite and he would get a bigger piece. If you listen to him talking he is pissed about this, and is hyper aware that he is speaking with the contact of his contact, but is obviously talking very broad and gives no specifics. He also speaks of the deal being tilted towards the family. This tells me the deal is not only to pay javonte, but his mother and the kid would get some too...now you've got an incentive that covers four people, he also states javonte is a 3 yr guy alluding to the fact he becomes cheaper the longer he stays, so obviously it's a good bit of money involved. Wade's guy goes with his move and does not inform the mother of the entire package, in hope she would accept the deal without her and the kids part attached and he would get the lagniappe. Read between the lines people!!! Now the biggest questions are what the NCAA and Wade's true involvement, and if his part was real will they even go after him.....A lot of what I wrote is opinion based on fact and filling in gaps in theory...so ENJOY....forde and schlabaugh are super douches, spreading there sports news PROPAGANDA, portraying coach wade in that light without all the facts, shite he goes to court in April. We will know more then!!! Adios
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to NorthShore_Tiger
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The national media is bashing Wade and the program. It's a violation to even suggest offering a kid anything and his parents. All he says is it's a big offer, so you can take it for what it's worth. It just doesn't look good and I think LSU needs to say something or the media will just talk about this until the tournament is over. Sad news and hope it goes away.
Or stay quiet and when LSU and Wade are cleared of all wrongdoing, sue the frick out of every writer/journalist/hack that spread this shite.
Hire that Covington High kid's attorney who is about to eat Bezos and the WaPo's breakfast, lunch, and dinner for slandering him.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to Elleshoe
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Brit.. how worried do you think folks need to be about potential NCAA sanctions. I know you’re pretty close with the program
I honestly don’t know, nothing has been said by anyone. Keeping this one close to their chests. Want no leaks I guess. Also trying to focus on Senior Day, and the logistics of the SEC and NCAA. A lot goes into all that.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to MrLSU
LSU is more important than will wade. Lsu need to get ahead of this and fire wade today. We all know Alabama pays its football players too but saban won’t get caught up in it. Basketball doesn’t have the same tentacles and the coach has to be involved directly. The entire ncaa is corrupt but it’s a big money goose. I say we should eliminate athletic scholarships altogether and have all students walk on to whatever sport they want to play. End all the foolishness and seek education.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to The Pirate King
Has anybody asked why the FBI doesn’t have better things to do?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:04 pm to MrLSU
I’m in my own bubble over here but I think people need to get a sense of reality. If someone can provide me with the audio of this “recorded conversation.” As far as WW is concerned, he’s innocent till proven guilty.
I know how the media plays these games. If they had something substantive, they would have produced it. The only thing that sucks is guilt by association and how that affects his persona.
Can we move on to Vandy and playing for a SEC Championship? Enjoy the ride!
I know how the media plays these games. If they had something substantive, they would have produced it. The only thing that sucks is guilt by association and how that affects his persona.
Can we move on to Vandy and playing for a SEC Championship? Enjoy the ride!
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