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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by puttytat
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:13 pm to
"Yeah. . .terrible. How did our offense do against them last year?"

....with a second string QB.......the better question is how did UFAG do against them THIS YEAR.......BTW, what is UFAG's record vs UT the last 15 years anyway???
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:18 pm to
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the better question is how did UFAG do against them THIS YEAR


Total yards for Florida against Tenn in 2008 .... 243
Florida-Tenn Box Score

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BTW, what is UFAG's record vs UT


Tennessee is 4-7 against Florida since 1998, the most success of any team against Florida in that span while playing a Florida team that was the most talented team in the SEC year-in-year-out in that time span (obviously playing with more talent than Tennessee). Not too shabby I'd say.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 8:31 pm
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:20 pm to
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Can you give me a breakdown of the "Mustang defense" or are you just regurgitating wikipedia? Lay some knowledge on me jb.

Something like this.

Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:20 pm to
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Hypotheticly, if we get O for the DL and Chavis for DC, would that combo be any better or worse than what we have now with the Malveto defense??
Im thinking it CANT be worse.


do you really need to pose that question?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:23 pm to
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BTW, what is UFAG's record vs UT the last 15 years anyway???


What is UF's record against everybody in the SEC during that timeframe?

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the better question is how did UFAG do against them THIS YEAR
held them to one of their lowest scoring outputs of the year.

So there you go.
Posted by ATR
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:26 pm to
Interesting stat:
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Total yards for Florida against Tenn in 2008 .... 243

This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 8:32 pm
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:28 pm to
Tennessee had 258 yards of offense in that game. Florida had 243 yards of offense. Tennessee actually outgained the Gators ... sounds crazy, but true.
Posted by puttytat
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:31 pm to
Okay JPLSU1981....point made....I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you......we obviously want what is best for our Tigers and I am willing to listen to other opinions....if you feel this strongly about Chavis, give me some more reasons...you obviously know or have heard more.
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:37 pm to
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Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute.

Pretty much every scheme commonly used in College and Pro football has been used with great success by some coaches and great failure by others.


Holy moly! Someone makes sense!

Example:

Urban Meyer > Tony Franklin at the spread option. Talent of course plays a factor, but then again so would Chavis coming to LSU. I understand that UT has talent, but let's not kid anyone by saying they have as much/more talent than LSU. They have much more than the media would lead you to believe, but not as much as LSU. And how many players off those top notch classes actually made it to the field for an extended period of time?
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 8:38 pm
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:40 pm to
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Urban Meyer > Tony Franklin at the spread option


wow talk about an unfair comparison. Franklin was working with pure shite for offensive talent at AU
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:53 pm to
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wow talk about an unfair comparison. Franklin was working with pure shite for offensive talent at AU


Wow, talk about not even reading the rest of the post. The VERY next thing I said was talent played a factor. And AU's talent isn't as bad as people make it out to be. They bring in decent top 10-20 classes every year. For whatever reason they decided to play the option QB once the option coach left. Florida of course has more talent/speed, but it's not as if Auburn is trotting out JV walk-ons like you seem to think.
Posted by SugarBeauxl
Chicago
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:54 pm to

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I am not really sold on Chavis as our possible DC, but if Coach O would come over as DL coach, that would be a great hire. Being LSU, we can offer at the higher end $ wise for assistants, & the benefits for the coaches is the high profile of being at LSU (at least, prior to this year).
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Why are you not sold? Secondly, whomever the DC is, we need to give them the ability to bring some of their key staff with them.

Posted by True Grit
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:57 pm to
Id love to have Chavis AND Orgeron.
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:58 pm to
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Id love to have Chavis AND Orgeron.


I wanted Coach O last year. Not for DC, but for recruiting more than anything.
Posted by Smoke Green
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:58 pm to
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Here are O's stats as DC:



actually, Bebe ran the D his first two yrs. at OM, pathetically, but ran it none the less. he hired John Thompson as dc in yr. 3 or so the media guide says.

Bebe's conference stats as DC at OM:

2005 - 9th in rush D; 7th in total; 7th in scoring; 4th in pass D; 10th in sacks;10th in tackles for loss

2006 - 11th rush D;11th in total;9th in scoring;10th in t/o margin; 9th in pass D; 11th in sacks;11th in tackles for loss.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:58 pm to
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Id love to have Chavis AND Orgeron.
I would as well, but I'd take Chavis OVER Orgeron if I had to pick between the two.
Posted by True Grit
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:02 pm to
I would take Chavis over him too. But it sounds like we could possibly have both.
Posted by ahuddl3
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:03 pm to
Question: Why would Orgeron want to come to LSU? He hates this school. I'm not convinced that $$$ could overcome his contempt for the purple and gold. That being said: he obviously recruited decent talent while at Ole Miss because Nutt won with Orgeron players.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:03 pm to
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we obviously want what is best for our Tigers and I am willing to listen to other opinions....if you feel this strongly about Chavis, give me some more reasons...you obviously know or have heard more.


Chavis is not the "sexiest" hire, but Chavis is the solid hire. Anyone who has survived for 15 years in this conference at one school is a solid coordinator. Chavis is not a good recruiter and doesn't like recruiting, as most Tennessee fans will tell you. That's not a bad thing, though. I prefer that my DC coordinate and "coach the coaches" and leave the recruiting to the assistants and just come in and "close the deal" when he needs to.

Chavis has a proven track record of success in this conference. He consistently has Tennessee among the defensive leaders in the conference with less talent than Florida, Georgia and in recent years LSU. He is a no-nonsense guy that is probably what we need on defense, yet the players still seem to really like him, which is a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I think a Chavis hire stand-alone is merely a decent hire, not great and flashy, but certainly not a bad hire... definitely an upgrade to what we have, but not the best possible hire. The key is getting good assistants under him, specifically a good defensive line coach, a spot that we have definitely underachieved at the last two years save one player (Dorsey). That is why I think Orgeron is such a key ingredient to the Chavis hire. If we can bring in Orgeron's recruiting prowess and mastery of the D-Line to go along with Chavis' track record of "building" a defense and playcalling, I think we will have a very, very solid defense the next few years with the talent we already have on roster.

Will we have the best defense in the country? Maybe, maybe not ... but we will certainly have a formidable defense that is well-run, well-organized and capable of winning championships if we can get some consistency at quarterback and on offense.

This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 9:12 pm
Posted by True Grit
in your heart :)
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

He hates this school.


I dont think so.
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