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re: WWL 870 just said...

Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:21 pm to
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:21 pm to
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If he throws a name out there, he opens his opinion up to criticism. He doesn't want that.



Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:21 pm to
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Chavis runs a soft cover Mustang defense. No better than what we have now.
Can you give me a breakdown of the "Mustang defense" or are you just regurgitating wikipedia? Lay some knowledge on me jb.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:21 pm to
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The only opinon he has is that everyone else's is wrong.
Yup. Sounds like a greenie.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:22 pm to
Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute.

Pretty much every scheme commonly used in College and Pro football has been used with great success by some coaches and great failure by others.

The difference is primarily in the coach. A scheme is great but in the final analysis, it's just Xs and Os. Somebody still has to COACH it and then more importantly, decide which aspects of the scheme to use in given situations. Finally, they have to adjust said scheme to their varied opponents and their styles.

I'm not nearly as worried about what scheme comes to town as I am about how well a coach has managed to implement that scheme.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:24 pm to
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Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute.

Pretty much every scheme commonly used in College and Pro football has been used with great success by some coaches and great failure by others.

The difference is primarily in the coach. A scheme is great but in the final analysis, it's just Xs and Os. Somebody still has to COACH it and then more importantly, decide which aspects of the scheme to use in given situations. Finally, they have to adjust said scheme to their varied opponents and their styles.

I'm not nearly as worried about what scheme comes to town as I am about how well a coach has managed to implement that scheme.


Excellent post.
Posted by ATR
Utopos
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:24 pm to
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Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute.

Pretty much every scheme commonly used in College and Pro football has been used with great success by some coaches and great failure by others.


+1
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10398 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:24 pm to
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go to the coaching discussion board and look at the list of possibilities, almost all of them other than bumpas would be superior to chavis

OK that's a ball park opinion. How 'bout your top 5?
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:27 pm to
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Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute.

Pretty much every scheme commonly used in College and Pro football has been used with great success by some coaches and great failure by others.

The difference is primarily in the coach. A scheme is great but in the final analysis, it's just Xs and Os. Somebody still has to COACH it and then more importantly, decide which aspects of the scheme to use in given situations. Finally, they have to adjust said scheme to their varied opponents and their styles.

I'm not nearly as worried about what scheme comes to town as I am about how well a coach has managed to implement that scheme.

Yes, well said. It looks to me like a lot of people are looking on the Yahoo sports stats page and giving the DC's of top D's on that page. The thing is, I can click on a different column heading and get a different ranking. So by what stat is the bar set?

ETA: Like Cornholio said, "Their best DC is strictly their opinion." This applies to everyone on this board, minus a few who truly are in the know (I have no idea who those people are).
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 7:30 pm
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:29 pm to
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So by what stat is the bar set?


I don't know the answer to your question, but I'm going to go with wins and losses. Give me a winner!

This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 7:30 pm
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:30 pm to
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I don't know the answer to your question, but I'm going to go with wins and losses. Give me a winner!

I like that one better than most of what I've read. I just hope a good DC is the only key.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 7:31 pm
Posted by ATR
Utopos
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:32 pm to
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Folks who are comparing schemes without regard to who is coaching them aren't very astute


...right....and without regard to who is executing them...i.e. the players. LSU's talent base is likely stronger than UT's. Add each factor: scheme, coach, talent.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
Member since Feb 2007
10398 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:37 pm to
bump to Tulane Fan
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go to the coaching discussion board and look at the list of possibilities, almost all of them other than bumpas would be superior to chavis



OK that's a ball park opinion. How 'bout your top 5?
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 7:38 pm
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:42 pm to
I am not really sold on Chavis as our possible DC, but if Coach O would come over as DL coach, that would be a great hire. Being LSU, we can offer at the higher end $ wise for assistants, & the benefits for the coaches is the high profile of being at LSU (at least, prior to this year).
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:45 pm to
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Being LSU, we can offer at the higher end $ wise for assistants

I think UT would win a bidding war with LSU.
Posted by SenseiBuddy
Ascension Parish
Member since Oct 2005
4740 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:48 pm to
Ok i just read all 8 freakin pages of this thread, so now i have to chime in.

Hypotheticly, if we get O for the DL and Chavis for DC, would that combo be any better or worse than what we have now with the Malveto defense??
Im thinking it CANT be worse.
Posted by ATR
Utopos
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 7:59 pm to
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I really wish we could keep this thread strictly about whether he is actually getting the job and leave the issue of whether he is a good hire to the other 20 threads on that topic.


Staying on topic is a rarity aint it?
Posted by puttytat
BEACH
Member since Apr 2005
5374 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:02 pm to
The former UT DC would be a HORRIBLE choice.......Les won't be coaching too much longer if he is hired.....we will continue to get torched
Posted by rsande2
Member since Jan 2006
3423 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:04 pm to
Just to make sure, this is the same guy that built the UT D that won in 1999 that was absolutely suffocating. This was also the guy who shut down Ro and reed and others in 2001 before mauck came in right? I have seen UT with some great D in the past if this is the same guy. If wwl is correct I would say he has a chance, he is a big name, is familiar with the sec, and obviously can recruit given they landed mayo, berry burnett, ect ect
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:09 pm to
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The former UT DC would be a HORRIBLE choice.......Les won't be coaching too much longer if he is hired.....we will continue to get torched
Chavis is probably the best DC in the SEC, and one of the top guys nationally.

Following the 2006 Season Chavis was named as the Assistant Football Coach of the Year by the American Football Coaches Association.

Yeah. . .terrible. How did our offense do against them last year?
Posted by Herb
Amite LA
Member since Dec 2003
6528 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 8:10 pm to
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That Coach Miles will interview the former Tenn. D. C. So that rumor a few days ago was true.
So, he's interviewing. Good. I say take your time and get the best one available. That would improve the quality of the decision.

But, how does this factor with the recruits? Would that make him wise to hurry?
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