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re: WR attrition may happen. Can we look at the facts before bashing the offense?
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:12 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 1/1/16 at 3:12 pm to Adam Banks
Very simple. If Matt Flynn -- senior version -- was on this team, we'd have likely played last night.
When Harris gets the maturity and the feel and the responsiveness to any and every surprise that comes his way, he'll put up JR type numbers. The offense is ready...we are simply waiting on him and hopeful that the O Line can do good work. This is all about Harris. Diarse wants a QB that can target him 10x a game. Harris cannot do that. BUT, too bad Diarse was not patient enough. I hear Quin bitching, but Diarse has just as much room to complain.
When Harris gets the maturity and the feel and the responsiveness to any and every surprise that comes his way, he'll put up JR type numbers. The offense is ready...we are simply waiting on him and hopeful that the O Line can do good work. This is all about Harris. Diarse wants a QB that can target him 10x a game. Harris cannot do that. BUT, too bad Diarse was not patient enough. I hear Quin bitching, but Diarse has just as much room to complain.
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Posted on 1/1/16 at 4:07 pm to KG5989
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Hate losing guys that contribute, but I completely understand why they would want to go somewhere to get more looks. We are extremely deep at WR and will continue to add big time talent there each year in recruiting.
If this frees up some scholarships for DTs and LBs, then there really is no downside to replacing a very talented WR with a position where we have need. In this scenario, both the incoming and outgoing player have a better chance to showcase their talents.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 4:25 pm to Adam Banks
I agree with you. I was just saying
Posted on 1/1/16 at 4:37 pm to Adam Banks
We could go the next two years without signing a WR. We would be much better served to bring in stud D-Linemen, LBs, and O-Linemen.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 5:53 pm to Adam Banks
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Who's snaps do you want taken away? Dupre? Johnson? Dural?
He's right to a degree. LSU is one of the least passing teams in the country every year, yet we accept commits from 3-4 WRs and 1 receiving TE, every year??? We recruit like we are an air raid offense, but we hover around 300 passing every year. That means wasting talent that could go to another school and we grab more lineman and linebackers.
Now I'm not saying we should stop getting WRs, no sir. What I'm really saying is if you are going to recruit like that, why not go to a 3 wide base set? Why not get your most talented players and most loaded position on the field at all times? Throw more, be balanced, run more uptempo, utilize more routes more often, etc. What's wrong with averaging 28-30 passes per game AND 40-45 carries per game? RUN MORE PLAYS! Get the defense on its heels and reeling. Have em losing breath in the 2nd quarter, not just in the 4th by just running atraight into them all game.
I promise LSU's run game would be even more effective if we did this.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:13 pm to TNTigerman
Honestly, guice should be in the slot early in the game with Fournette in the backfield. Malachi, dural, and Johnson should get the most work.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:15 pm to Datbayoubengal
Stop comparing to us anyone else other than Alabama. Until we find a way to compete with or beat them in the trenches the skill positions are a lost cause. We have all the talent necessary at skill positions - not in the trenches.
Lose to Bama - never advance.
Lose to Bama - never advance.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:19 pm to LSUfan4444
All obvious things catch up with you. Miles thinks that he can keep getting away with poor Qb and offensive playcalling and schemes because of the success of some players in the NFL, but many others are not getting to play, which is the whole point of PLAYING football. Geez, I am surprised it has not happened earlier, but the incoming players are gonna offset it, so hopefully they actually get to PLAY in a solid offense while at LSU.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:19 pm to Adam Banks
Yes it does. In college offenses the number 3,4,5 wide receiver are not going to get a significant amount of touches outside of a few air raid offenses. The guys in question were behind those guys. If you feel that they should be ahead of them then say so. If not then using the "not showcasing their talents for the NFL" isnt a valid argument.
I love the lies you tell yourself.
Check out the 3, 4th ,and 5th WRs when Murray was at UGA. Hell check out the TE and RB as well.
Check out the WRs, TE(s) at Arkansas this year. Hell check out the gang of WRs and TEs when Bobby Petrino was there.
Check out the WRs,, RBs, and TEs with Connor Shaw and Thompson with South Carolina the last few years (not this year because the whole team is a mess).
Check out Miami and FSU yearly with WRs, TEs, and RBs.
LSU fans like y'all are ridiculous! We are the rare pro style offense that barely throws the ball yet recruits receiving options like an air raid system. We use a shite ton of two TE sets and can't pass to the TE? We use a shite ton of 1 WR and base 2 WR formation, yet we have like 12 WRs on roster with 9 or 10 being 4 or 5 stars and 6-8 being the top 30 in their recruiting class. TCU would kill to get the WR talent we let rot on the bench. Sending WRs to the NFL is INCREDIBLE at the clip and rate we do, but messed up loading up on all these guys yet using maybe 30% of any of them worth a flip.
Diarse is going to be a redshirt junior next year with 28 total catches
Quinn is going to be a junior next year with 22 total catches
Chark is going to be a junior next year with zero catches.
Paul Turner left LSU and put up 87 catches 1171 yards and 7 TDs in two years with LA Tech. He was only the #3 leading WR at Tech in both years.
I guarantee Quinn would have ate at Oklahoma State or Clemson (two of his other top choices)
I guarantee Johnson would be eating this year at Texas Tech ( one of his other top choice) like Turpin is doing at TCU (true freshman) and Morgan is doing at Nebraska (true freshman).
I guarantee Dupre would have been even more productive at FSU or UCLA (his other top choices).
All I'm saying is, if you are going to stockpile all this WR talent, USE IT!!! I love LSU, love that top WRs want to come here, but I hate how we don't try to maximize them.
I love the lies you tell yourself.
Check out the 3, 4th ,and 5th WRs when Murray was at UGA. Hell check out the TE and RB as well.
Check out the WRs, TE(s) at Arkansas this year. Hell check out the gang of WRs and TEs when Bobby Petrino was there.
Check out the WRs,, RBs, and TEs with Connor Shaw and Thompson with South Carolina the last few years (not this year because the whole team is a mess).
Check out Miami and FSU yearly with WRs, TEs, and RBs.
LSU fans like y'all are ridiculous! We are the rare pro style offense that barely throws the ball yet recruits receiving options like an air raid system. We use a shite ton of two TE sets and can't pass to the TE? We use a shite ton of 1 WR and base 2 WR formation, yet we have like 12 WRs on roster with 9 or 10 being 4 or 5 stars and 6-8 being the top 30 in their recruiting class. TCU would kill to get the WR talent we let rot on the bench. Sending WRs to the NFL is INCREDIBLE at the clip and rate we do, but messed up loading up on all these guys yet using maybe 30% of any of them worth a flip.
Diarse is going to be a redshirt junior next year with 28 total catches
Quinn is going to be a junior next year with 22 total catches
Chark is going to be a junior next year with zero catches.
Paul Turner left LSU and put up 87 catches 1171 yards and 7 TDs in two years with LA Tech. He was only the #3 leading WR at Tech in both years.
I guarantee Quinn would have ate at Oklahoma State or Clemson (two of his other top choices)
I guarantee Johnson would be eating this year at Texas Tech ( one of his other top choice) like Turpin is doing at TCU (true freshman) and Morgan is doing at Nebraska (true freshman).
I guarantee Dupre would have been even more productive at FSU or UCLA (his other top choices).
All I'm saying is, if you are going to stockpile all this WR talent, USE IT!!! I love LSU, love that top WRs want to come here, but I hate how we don't try to maximize them.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:31 pm to TampaTiger22
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I think he is saying our offense needs to use these guys instead of using one and two WR sets.
This!
LSU can be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better on offense it's just sickening. The talent we have on offense IMO, is top 3 in the land. We rarely use misdirection in the run game, we rarely create space in the passing game, we are nationally close to the bottom EVERY YEAR on plays per game.
It's not wrong to throw it 28-30 times a game. Jake Rudock at Michigan sucked bad early on this year, and now has become only the second Michigan QB to throw for at least 3000 (3017 exactly) yards in a season. He has 20 TDs to 9 ints on 389 attempts.
Michigan also runs the ball a lot and has great defense.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:36 pm to Adam Banks
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We have a significant amount of very talented depth. That is what this thread is about. When that happens people transfer. Thats why Baker Mayfield transferred.
Why do we load up on so many WRs yet we barely pass the ball?
Also Mayfield didn't transfer because of depth WTF? When Mayfield (freshman of the year in the Big 12) transferred, Davis Webb was the only QB on roster until the 3 star Mahomes got there from his high school class a month or so later. Mayfield transferred because Tech didn't want to give him a scholarship until after the summer because they wanted to use it on some incoming player and they wouldn't have the scholarship until the seniors left.
Geez guys do y'all pay attention to anything outside of the SEC or LSU?
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
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. Jake Rudock at Michigan sucked bad early on this year, and now has become only the second Michigan QB to throw for at least 3000 (3017 exactly) yards in a season. He has 20 TDs to 9 ints on 389 attempts
Jake Rudock is a senior graduate transfer from Iowa. Brandon Harris is a true sophomore playing in a much better conference.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:39 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Why do we load up on so many WRs yet we barely pass the ball?
Just spitballing here, but it could be because you need more WRs and DBs than you do any other position. Even if they're not catching passes, they're an asset on special teams as gunners and returners.
But we could definitely use a few less WRs and a few more LBs.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:33 pm to BestStop
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Stop comparing to us anyone else other than Alabama. Until we find a way to compete with or beat them in the trenches the skill positions are a lost cause. We have all the talent necessary at skill positions - not in the trenches. Lose to Bama - never advance.
What the hell are you talking about? We recruit receiving talent like an air raid system, yet we run a shite ton of heavy sets. Doesn't make sense. Either pass the ball more with all the receiving talent we keep hoarding, or use those spots for more lineman and linebackers.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:38 pm to Adam Banks
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Jake Rudock is a senior graduate transfer from Iowa. Brandon Harris is a true sophomore playing in a much better conference.
What does him being a senior transfer have to do with ANYTHING I said? Rudock was HORRIBLE to start the first several games of the year, yet Harbaugh kept passing like a sonabitch to get him and the WRs (who were barely utilized with the redshirt senior QB last year), to gain chemistry, and develop the passing game.
LSU did not try to develop the passing game earlier this year and suffered in November when we HAD to pass to try to somewhat balanced.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:42 pm to LSUfan4444
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The fact is that LSU loses out on talented kids and has talent wasting away on the bench because of a piss poor offensive philosophy.
Examples please.
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:57 pm to tarzana
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A healed JD Moore, or Brykeithon Mouton, or David Ducre could be devastating on an occasional fly pattern. It's time to think outside the box.
Maybe you should just stop thinking
Posted on 1/1/16 at 7:58 pm to etm512
i took that post as a really solid troll job
Posted on 1/1/16 at 8:44 pm to LSUfan4444
LsU 4444 is preaching the truth about how we are losing talent because of our horrible offensive scheme. How many more elite TE do you think we land after seeing DeSean get 4 catches in 2 years. We don't use slot receivers or RBs to create mismatches against linebackers. We have a horrible offense under Miles. It will not change next year unless he totally gives the OC control
Posted on 1/1/16 at 8:58 pm to LSUfan4444
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National experts in both college and NFL are baffled about how ineffectively LSU utilizes their talent, including Fournette.
You're an idiot
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Diarse was a big physical guy and made great things happen with the ball in his hands, alot of Devery Henderson. He, like many others are being misused.
He played crappy. He dropped a large percentage of the passes that came his way. He got the playing time he earned.
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