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re: Wow....not much faith in Miles
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:00 pm to mlttiger
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:00 pm to mlttiger
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Okay. Is it fair to believe that you think Saban develops players more so than Miles?
Just saying that it accounts for something more win you make players better the next year, and the following seasons, it proves you can do more with less, and that is good.
So, since nick the midget took Shulas players and his first season had a season pretty much like LSU had last year and then nickys boys improved before getting punked in the bowl game then that makes him "great."
Let's see what LM does with LSU this year when he takes the inexperienced players from last year and then make a judgement for him like you did for your daddy,err, I mean nick the midget.
Les took over a team with a great amount of talent and won with it, which is awesome, and I give him credit for doing that, but don't tell me Saban had nothing to do with the first 3 seasons of Les's success
I'll say it right now sonnyboy. New system, new coaches new everything. IT was Miles sonnyboy, not nick the midget. 99% of those players would have been at LSU regardless of the coach. Not only did Miles coach them up he did it while signing only 13 players his first year since nick the midget had over recruited and signed a bunch of zeros who never contributed but had schollies.
Let's put it this way. nick saban is Les Miles bitch and so are all of you that continue to stroke yourselves while dreaming of taking warm showers with the midget.
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:03 pm to rtgr
Were you really born in 1931?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:05 pm to AlexLSU
he's another piece of shite troll.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:24 pm to tubucoco
quote:
he's another piece of shite troll.
Hey Tebucky coco,
You are on an LSU board whining that real LSU Fans don't praise the midget Bama coach.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:26 pm to Sammich
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Sammich
You are my favorite ranter fwiw.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:34 pm to LuckyLee
Sandwich, you gotta love him.Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:11 pm to mlttiger
well in that same logic, miles has won more with Sabans talent than saban did. Miles had 3 seasons in a row where LSU only lost 2 games, saban only had 1 season where LSU lost 2 or fewer games. Miles did not lose an out of conference game, Saban lost to UAB. Miles is a perfect 4-0 in bowl games, saban lost to texas and iowa. SO with that logic, miles is actually better at coaching than saban
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:24 pm to CalLSU
except saban had a little thing called a BCS title in b/t those years, but Saban also took us to our first SEC championship in how many years? and he won TWO of them in his 4 first four years, won two divisional titles, tied for one, was 3-1 in bowls his first four seasons,
So once again Saban brought LSU greatness back to BR, and Miles has done very well since he took over the reigns, but don't act like Saban is not at least a little responsible for where the program is currently at
So once again Saban brought LSU greatness back to BR, and Miles has done very well since he took over the reigns, but don't act like Saban is not at least a little responsible for where the program is currently at
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:00 pm to mlttiger
quote:when was it great? last check 1950's circa, chinese bandits, oh yeah, Saban turned LSU into a national powerhouse that recruits great players to this day because of it's name now, you guys can act like he didn't do it, whatever.
So once again Saban brought LSU greatness back to BR,
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:03 pm to mlttiger
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except saban had a little thing called a BCS title in b/t those years, but Saban also took us to our first SEC championship in how many years? and he won TWO of them in his 4 first four years, won two divisional titles, tied for one, was 3-1 in bowls his first four seasons,
So once again Saban brought LSU greatness back to BR, and Miles has done very well since he took over the reigns, but don't act like Saban is not at least a little responsible for where the program is currently at
I'm sorry, i thought we won a NC in 2007 was i mistaken? I will agree that saban took LSU out of being a very mediocre team to being one of the top in the nation. But what gets me really upset is when what he has done becomes diminished because of saban. DId saban coach LSU in the last 4 years? Becasue i thought it was miles. DId saban beat ole miss, arkansas, florida, alabama and auburn all in any year he was coaching? NO! But miles did that in his first year. And miles has also won the west 2 times and was runner-up to arkansas the year before we won it all. and that was in his first 3 years! All i am saying is that miles deserves the credit for the accomplishments of the team since he has been here, not saban. DId saban leave him some very good talent? Yes, but miles still had to coach them, and he, in every single category that i can think of, has either matched saban or beaten him, so if we go off of performance on the field then miles is either right next to saban or better. Again, not taking anything away from what saban did, and the same thing would be said if for some reason miles decided to retire and we got someone else and he did just as good i would say it was that guys accomplishments not miles, because that guy would be the coach
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:07 pm to tubucoco
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when was it great? last check 150's circa, chinese bandits, oh yeah, Saban turned LSU into a national powerhouse that recruits great players to this day because of it's name now, you guys can act like he didn't do it, whatever.
wow, no one is saying he didn't bring us back into national recognition, what we are saying is that you can't give a guy credit for something he didn't do. As in he didn't coach our team the last 4 years. So in that since we don't give saban the credit, he did leave us with some great talent, but miles has taken the reigns since then and done just by records a better job with that talent than saban did, that doesn't mean saban wasn't a good coach or is not a good coach, it just means that we like who we have now
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:09 pm to CalLSU
look dude, I'm not trying to diminish Miles coaching ability, I've said that in the past even though others have gotten me wrong, Miles has done a good job carrying on the torch, keeping the great recruiting going, and being a good delegate by hiring the right people to coach the team to keep the team wining, but that co DC shite he did last season was a disaster, he's repaired it and hopefully it's back to winning as usual.
with that said, I will say if you compare the two side by side to who is the better coach, it's Saban hands down, you know that, but nobody is tryin to take away from Miles accomplishments.
with that said, I will say if you compare the two side by side to who is the better coach, it's Saban hands down, you know that, but nobody is tryin to take away from Miles accomplishments.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:13 pm to tubucoco
ok well i guess it's just the matter of your opinion and my opinion. I have no problem admitting that saban might actually be the better coach, but i am glad we have miles, and at least he was not larry coker, we could be in a very very worse situation than we are in. But when it comes down to it, i just cheer for whoever is wearing purple and gold 
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:16 pm to CalLSU
Saban brought the program to national prominence, that is all I'm saying, and when you are in the spotlight, as a top 5 program, when Miles took over the program from Saban, it is a lot easier to recruit and build a strong team, not downplaying Miles at all, I think he is a great coach, and I like him and the things he has accomplished at LSU, but I'm saying he was handed a program that was a lot better off, then when Saban got his hands on this program. So I think as of the first four years of coaching LSU, I think Saban>Miles, and I would be saying the exact same thing if Miles had taken us for mediocre to a national contender, and Saban took over the program while LSU was in great shape.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:17 pm to CalLSU
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ok well i guess it's just the matter of your opinion and my opinion. I have no problem admitting that saban might actually be the better coach, but i am glad we have miles, and at least he was not larry coker, we could be in a very very worse situation than we are in. But when it comes down to it, i just cheer for whoever is wearing purple and gold
That is something everybody can agree on,
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 2:56 pm to Utah Tiger
Sounds about right.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 3:46 pm to LSUBCSCHAMPS11
Les is not as good a coach as Richt at Georgia...give me a break. Richt is soooo overrated it's pathetic...let's see last year he had Moreno and Stafford...what did they win? SEC? no MNC? No. Geez. It's really funny when a guy with a MNC is outranked by a Nutt...these guys must be taking bribes! 
Posted on 4/22/09 at 3:49 pm to mlttiger
It's easy to "win consistantly" when you only have one or two quality teams in your conference.
It doesn't matter who recruits---the coach coaches and mentors. there is more to coaching and leading then prancing the sidelines ranting like a loon.
Below is just a copy n paste from LSU SPORTS.....
Miles' record with LSU is 42-11, which includes a 22-10 mark in SEC regular-season games. He's also won 17 games against top 25 teams and eight against teams in the top 10. On 12 occasions, Miles has led the Tigers to a comeback win in either the fourth quarter or overtime.
After winning at least 11 games in three-straight seasons, LSU went into 2008 with no experience at the quarterback position and a roster that was depleted by departing seniors. Still, LSU managed to go 7-5 during the regular season and advanced to a bowl game for a school-record ninth-consecutive season. LSU capped the 2008 season with a 38-3 win over 14th-ranked Georgia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl in a game that put a positive finish on what was the most trying season of Miles' four years in Baton Rouge.
Some of the highlights in 2008 in addition to the bowl victory included comeback road wins over Auburn and South Carolina as well as overcoming a 28-point deficit to beat Troy in Tiger Stadium. Of the five losses in 2008, three came against top-10 teams, including an overtime loss to top-ranked Alabama.
It doesn't matter who recruits---the coach coaches and mentors. there is more to coaching and leading then prancing the sidelines ranting like a loon.
Below is just a copy n paste from LSU SPORTS.....
Miles' record with LSU is 42-11, which includes a 22-10 mark in SEC regular-season games. He's also won 17 games against top 25 teams and eight against teams in the top 10. On 12 occasions, Miles has led the Tigers to a comeback win in either the fourth quarter or overtime.
After winning at least 11 games in three-straight seasons, LSU went into 2008 with no experience at the quarterback position and a roster that was depleted by departing seniors. Still, LSU managed to go 7-5 during the regular season and advanced to a bowl game for a school-record ninth-consecutive season. LSU capped the 2008 season with a 38-3 win over 14th-ranked Georgia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl in a game that put a positive finish on what was the most trying season of Miles' four years in Baton Rouge.
Some of the highlights in 2008 in addition to the bowl victory included comeback road wins over Auburn and South Carolina as well as overcoming a 28-point deficit to beat Troy in Tiger Stadium. Of the five losses in 2008, three came against top-10 teams, including an overtime loss to top-ranked Alabama.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 4:18 pm to tubucoco
quote:So he is "hands down" a worse coach than a guy who won less than he did (even after getting the elite talent and building the program), but you're not trying to take away from his accomplishments?
I will say if you compare the two side by side to who is the better coach, it's Saban hands down, you know that, but nobody is tryin to take away from Miles accomplishments
Let's all remember -- no matter how many times people try to pretend otherwise -- Nick Saban passed on a 9-3, out of the top 10 program to Les Miles. Nick Saban took a top 10 team (2001) and went 8-5 the very next year (sound a bit familiar?). Nick Saban built a great program but has absolutely zero history of maintaining elite quality in a program. He has *never* won 10 games or posted a top 10 finish in back to back seasons. Never. Not after winning the National Championship, not after winning the SEC, not after 3 top-3 recruiting classes in 4 years, never. Not once. Anywhere.
Les has done something that Saban has never shown an ability to do, despite multiple opportunities. To suggest that either of them is "hands down" better than the other is frankly irrational.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 4:33 pm to AlexLSU
quote:
Were you really born in 1931?
Yes indeed sonnyboy. 78 years young and living life to the fullest until I drop.
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