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re: Wow....not much faith in Miles
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:13 am to mlttiger
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:13 am to mlttiger
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Just saying that it accounts for something more win you make players better the next year, and the following seasons, it proves you can do more with less, and that is good.
Agreed. The question is whether or not Saban can sustain it for more than, say 4 years, before his assistant coaches who come running to him with aspirations of $ and fame, go running out the door because of the person they're working for... when it's about the boss and not the team.
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Les took over a team with a great amount of talent and won with it, which is awesome, and I give him credit for doing that, but don't tell me Saban had nothing to do with the first 3 seasons of Les's success
I think that is an overappreciation of Saban and an under appreciation of Miles.... but, what do I know?
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:18 am to LA007
You all win, I'm a moron, Miles is better than Saban, and I'm going to bed
Urban took over a mediocre football program at Florida and won TWO national championships
Urban took over a mediocre football program at Florida and won TWO national championships
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:21 am to mlttiger
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You all win, I'm a moron, Miles is better than Saban, and I'm going to bed
Urban took over a mediocre football program at Florida and won TWO national championships
Good night. You made good points. Look forward to when you're on my side... gosh knows I need it.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:25 am to LA007
I am on your side and can't wait till farther down the road when i Les takes over Saban as a coach, it's just not today 
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:09 am to Utah Tiger
Hilarious rankings!! Kirk Ferentz at No. 5? He's had some good seasons but has he ever truly been near the national championship? NO. In 2006 and 2007 his teams went 6 and 6 in regular season play. Those seasons were years after he got there so there is no excuse for lack of talent. Sometimes these rankings are just a joke. Les beat Oklahoma two out of the four years he was at Okie State with vastly inferior talent. Ferentz has done squat with the talent he recruits.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:23 am to Utah Tiger
Without listing the criteria or variables used in this supposedly accurate assumption, I'd say that it has no evidence of reliability or validity. I could place all the names in a fishbowl, draw them out randomly, and then assign an opinion of why I think they should be there. The one thing it did, though, was to incite numerous pages of ranter opinions.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:29 am to Geauxtiga
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Nutt owns Miles.
huh, what's his record vs miles? 2 wins vs 2 wins isn't "owning" imo.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:51 am to TheDoc
quote:I think they probably rate him that low because they look at him as a 'program manager' who hires good assistants rather than a 'strongman' like Saban or Stoops who control every aspect of their programs with an iron fist. Not saying it's right, it just is.
28th?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:57 am to mlttiger
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Urban took over a mediocre football program at Florida and won TWO national championships
come on man, Florida was loaded when Meyer took over. I'm not saying that Urban Meyer isn't a top 5 coach or anything. hell, right now I would put him at the top of the list. on the other hand it's not like he came to florida thinking he was going to have to rebuild.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:00 am to Brendoni
Miles is 28th because of the two-loss title, the brutal year last year, the perception of our fanbase (which is now national), the "gutsy" calls, the timeouts after interceptions, the goofy speaking.
Miles is a product of himself. It's no big mystery.
Miles is a product of himself. It's no big mystery.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:24 am to Hodson 4Heisman
This is what I don't get... when people say that Miles won with Saban's recruits... who can honestly say that had Miles been recruiting during the Saban years, he wouldn't have attracted the same players? Les Miles has proven himself to be a fantastic recruiter, so that pretty much destroys that argument completely. That argument assumes that nobody else besides Saban could have possibly loaded this program with that much talent. The Les Miles era has proven that claim wrong. So what is the real difference between Saban and Miles? It's not recruiting, so where's the argument?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:26 am to Utah Tiger
Kirk Ferentz at #5 is a joke. He had a nice run between 2002 and 2004, but hasn't done anything since then. In the last 4 years he's only 28-22 (16-16 in the weak-assed Big Ten). Why do so many people sniff this guys arse and think it smells like roses?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:31 am to mlttiger
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Nope you can sustain the program at a high level, i.e. Pete Carrol, Mack Brown, Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops
So by having one season with less than 11 wins, Miles has failed to sustain the program?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:31 am to Sir Yin Yang
Ferentz at 5 proves the thing is douchebaggery. He had a nice run in a shitty conference what a punk.
The good news is Les loves LSU and doesn't give a rip about this ranking. He wants to win and retire a Tiger. God bless you Les
The good news is Les loves LSU and doesn't give a rip about this ranking. He wants to win and retire a Tiger. God bless you Les
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:33 am to Brendoni
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on the other hand it's not like he came to florida thinking he was going to have to rebuild.
Exactly. That dumbass mlttiger jumps at the chance to say that Miles wins with "Saban's Players", but conveniently fails to mention that Meyer wins with "Zook's Players".
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:22 am to Rickety Cricket
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Exactly. That dumbass mlttiger jumps at the chance to say that Miles wins with "Saban's Players", but conveniently fails to mention that Meyer wins with "Zook's Players".
Man I see why I like the night time rant better, less assholes on the board, where they don't insult you, they just provide an opposing opinion
That being said, Florida was 8-5, and 7-5 the previous two seasons, so Urban won MORE with the same level of talent, plus Tebow, which was HIS RECRUIT was a key in them winning the national championship, he also won last year w/ his own recruits, so maybe he won with Zook players, but Zook's players played better under Urban, which is actually a problem with Zook, he is a great recruiter, but not best gameday coach
So its not like he was handed a team two years removed from a national championship,
and if you read all my points, I'm not bashing Miles, I'm just saying that right now you can't say he is a top 5 coach, in the future yes he can prove it, but right now not top 5.
And I'd rather have Miles over Saban, b/c i like how Miles handles the program, like kicking off RP, and his accountability.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:39 am to Rickety Cricket
So one bad season, and bad is a really big overstatement more like not great season, means that you aren't sustaining the team? Out of those coaches that were mentioned, only 1 coaches in the sec. The other guys coach in leagues where they might MIGHT have 1 or 2 tough games a year. But in the SEC you have at least 3 maybe 4 tough games every single year. The fact that Les had 3 years IN A ROW where he only lost 2 games and they were against good teams, tells me that he is a good coach. Last year was bad, but come on, please don't talk about consistency when someone has done something that never had happened before in having 3 years in a row of only losing 2 games and winning at least 10 games
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:49 am to Geauxtiga
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wow houston nutt above les miles
Nutt owns Miles.
any year miles has had at lsu besides last year is better than any year houston nutt has ever had
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:51 am to L S Usetheforce
dude, people like you get me sick, you refuse to give credit where credit is due all because Saban signed with Bama, had he signed somewhere else, like let's say back in the Big 10, you would be hailing him still to this day.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/22/09 at 12:00 pm to Rickety Cricket
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So by having one season with less than 11 wins, Miles has failed to sustain the program?
if that's the case then all of the coaches abover other than PC and Mack Brown have not sutained their program. Stoops, Meyere, and Tressel all had a season with 4 losses.
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