re: Wow Rivals

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I wonder if he said the same thing about Urban Myers going 9-4 after winning the NC?

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I doubt it. Meyer's 9-4 season in 2007 was nowhere near as bad as our 8-5 season in 2008. His four losses were on a last-second field goal to Auburn, a four point loss on the road in the final minute to the national champion, a loss by 12 to the team who finished #2 in the country, and a loss by 6 to a talented but underachieving team that was playing very emotionally in its coach's last game before retiring. That's a far cry from getting absolutely blown out at the Swamp, getting hammered by double digits at home by Georgia and Ole Miss, losing to Alabama (albeit in OT) and then disgracefully closing out the regular season with an inexcusable loss to a really terrible Arkansas team.

If they played, Florida's 2007 team would have beaten LSU's 2008 team handily. Meyer did not catch heat for 2007 while Miles did for 2008, and rightfully so in both cases.

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I doubt it. Meyer's 9-4 season in 2007 was nowhere near as bad as our 8-5 season in 2008. His four losses were on a last-second field goal to Auburn, a four point loss on the road in the final minute to the national champion, a loss by 12 to the team who finished #2 in the country, and a loss by 6 to a talented but underachieving team that was playing very emotionally in its coach's last game before retiring. That's a far cry from getting absolutely blown out at the Swamp, getting hammered by double digits at home by Georgia and Ole Miss, losing to Alabama (albeit in OT) and then disgracefully closing out the regular season with an inexcusable loss to a really terrible Arkansas team.

If they played, Florida's 2007 team would have beaten LSU's 2008 team handily. Meyer did not catch heat for 2007 while Miles did for 2008, and rightfully so in both cases.

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While true also both cases are different as another poster pointed out and I agree with...UF had the Heisman QB at their helm and we had, well you know...as well having their same DC which in both cases are extremely huge differences...

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He had the Heisman QB because he recruited him and put him in an offense he was perfect for. Coaching.

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and Miles had RP that he was able to lure away from Texas and we are all in pretty much agreement that RP COULD have led this team but Miles made the right decision and got rid of him after all the chances...Coaching Right Decision

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He had a good DC because he chose one. Coaching.

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Miles had Pelini...Coaching Right Decision but Pelini left to become HC and Miles chose to "experiment" with co-dc's...Coaching Wrong Decison

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That's why Florida was so much better in 2007 than we were in 2008. Coaching.

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So basically you are in agreement with me and the other poster that the big problem on defense was coaching...

All coaches make right and wrong decisions in their tenures, the difference is are they able to learn from their mistakes and make the right corrections to get back on track...

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All coaches make right and wrong decisions in their tenures

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Correct. And Meyer made better decisions in 2007 than Miles did in 2008. That's why he didn't catch the heat that Miles did.

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the difference is are they able to learn from their mistakes and make the right corrections to get back on track...

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That's part of the difference. Another part is how many mistakes they make to begin with and how bad they are. Meyer hasn't made any mistakes as bad as Miles' in 2008.

Coaches catch heat for their mistakes in proportion to how many they make and how bad they are, so Miles has caught more than Meyer, and rightfully so.

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You begin with "he's" then end with "right."

Now let me begin with "You're" and end with "stupid"


Most people believe Miles won with Saban's talent and his talent alone. Sure Les coached them the majority of their careers, but it wasn't fully "his" team.

Sonnyboy, this proves my first sentence to be correct. By this logic you should conclude that last year at Alabama that the team was not fully midget sabans. Of course I am sure that people like you would give ALL the credit for last years success at bama to little nicky.





The year that the majority of Saban's star players left, the wheels fell off. Not only did he lose 5 games, but he lost the team and the players. A national champion should NEVER quit on the field, and LSU did more than once last year.


Then how do you explain the beatdown on GA. Tech. A team EVERYONE picked to beat LSU.


He's made HIS staff. He's got HIS recruits. This is HIS mess, but he seems to have positioned LSU to be very good next year. He isn't paid to win a title then fall off the face of the Earth, so someone saying he needs to prove himself or earn his check is dead on.

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No sonnyboy, they are not "dead on" They are dead from the neck up. Just like anyone who agrees with them.

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That's part of the difference. Another part is how many mistakes they make to begin with and how bad they are. Meyer hasn't made any mistakes as bad as Miles' in 2008.

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also Myers has had more stability at his QB going from Leak to Tebow and DC position which Strong has been there since '03 and hasn't had to make these decisions so we can see his results at his choices...

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Meyer hasn't made any mistakes as bad as Miles' in 2008.

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Interesting. So you feel you could swap Tebow and Lee on the respective teams and the records would be the same? With RP at QB in 2008, you think we'd have lost 5 games?

Unless you think the RP dismissal was an error, Miles main mistake was giving the co-DC's a try. He corrected that in one season. We'll see how it pans out this year.

The whole "Miles winning with Saban's player's" argument is nothing more than a case of people getting so far up Saban's arse that they can't see the sunshine anymore!
It's like my cousin who years ago fell in love with this one gal and for 40 yrs. no other woman ever measured up to her, even though she treated him like shite and left him for another guy.
Nothing anybody, including Les, ever says or does is going to convince these people that Les is a good coach and the program is in good shape with him at the helm. Even after "Saban's players" are long gone, those people will still be crediting Saban for Les' success because "Saban built the program and all Les has to do is manage it properly. If Les doesn't frick it up, it's self-sustaining."
There aren't enough boneheaded dumbass icons for them!

As far as last year goes, shite happens! There was a perfect storm of "shite happens" that came together to cause us to have the season we did.
Personally, I think that given all that happened, I think Les did as good a job as could be expected. I'm not the least bit worried about LSU's fb future.

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no, "most" people don't believe this. The people who espouse this view are those who didn't like Miles from day 1.

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Exactly. Most of these "most" are LSU's own Sabanistas who will never like him even if we go 14-0 in 2009,2010 and 2011.

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no, "most" people don't believe this. The people who espouse this view are those who didn't like Miles from day 1.

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Not true, most who believe this formed an opinion after the Arizona and Tennessee game of his first season. They jumped back on the band wagon after the national championship. After the debacle last year they are back off until it has been proven that the wagon has four wheels and has someone at the helm to keep it rolling between the ditches.