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re: Would you have taken Bellichick?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:32 pm to BigBrod81
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:32 pm to BigBrod81
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I guess Brady put together those Patriot defenses that had players like Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest & Teddy Bruschi, etc., right?
Belichick drafted exactly 1 of those players, Seymour.
He’s always been a borderline drafter but he’s been especially awful the second half of his career in New England. UNC will be block and tackle better for sure, but it’s still a talent accumulation game and I won’t believe he can do it until he does.
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:33 pm to SelaTiger
Unc should have hired Dan Mullen. They screwed up
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:45 pm to DBG
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Belichick drafted exactly 1 of those players, Seymour.
The fact still remains that Belichick was the only coach who was consistently able to fool & shut down Peyton Manning. If it weren't for that, we talking about Manning having 6 or 7 rings & not Brady.
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UNC will be block and tackle better for sure, but it’s still a talent accumulation game and I won’t believe he can do it until he does.
He will have a staff dedicated just for this. Not only that but he has a friend who was the greatest to ever do it to lean on for advice.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:48 pm to Sevensblue
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Unc should have hired Dan Mullen.
The same Dan Mullen who wouldn't recruit at Florida?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:51 pm to BigBrod81
Mullen did well at miss st which is like the same program as unc
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:53 pm to DBG
It’s a fun topic to discuss and truthfully we will never know the right answer so there are no right or wrongs here but let’s take this into consideration
A. If belicheck is our coach this year, do you think his defense loses to A and M or Florida, or has a better game plan against bama? I think even the biggest golf skeptics would agree the Tamu/Florida loss wouldn’t be happening
B. Even thou I like Brad Davis and his defense improved a lot, does Bill’s defense start off and end stronger?
C. Bad play calling and bad run game, something tells me Bill figures that out or relieves our OC from play calling duties
D.recruiting- do we really fall off? I mean idiots like Les miles have came in and had top classes, LSU brand sellls itself
E. One thing belicheck has always had was great coaches Round them, that’s why they were always up for jobs year after year.
F. Last but not least game time decisions and personnel maaagment, he was always elite at this and sometimes Kelly has us scratching our head
Like I said, we will never know but these are just things to consider if in some imaginary world we would fall into this situation, so do t down vote lmao. There are no right or wrong answers when it’s just pure speculation
A. If belicheck is our coach this year, do you think his defense loses to A and M or Florida, or has a better game plan against bama? I think even the biggest golf skeptics would agree the Tamu/Florida loss wouldn’t be happening
B. Even thou I like Brad Davis and his defense improved a lot, does Bill’s defense start off and end stronger?
C. Bad play calling and bad run game, something tells me Bill figures that out or relieves our OC from play calling duties
D.recruiting- do we really fall off? I mean idiots like Les miles have came in and had top classes, LSU brand sellls itself
E. One thing belicheck has always had was great coaches Round them, that’s why they were always up for jobs year after year.
F. Last but not least game time decisions and personnel maaagment, he was always elite at this and sometimes Kelly has us scratching our head
Like I said, we will never know but these are just things to consider if in some imaginary world we would fall into this situation, so do t down vote lmao. There are no right or wrong answers when it’s just pure speculation
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:57 pm to Sevensblue
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Mullen did well at miss st which is like the same program as unc
And then turned around & shite on himself at Florida. Dude was a clown there.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:59 pm to Primeminister337
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B. Even thou I like Brad Davis and his defense improved a lot, does Bill’s defense start off and end stronger?
Those are some good discussion points in your post but you totally lost me here.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:05 pm to BigBrod81
What I was getting at, is a belicheck run defense far superior to a our current defense right now?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:12 pm to Primeminister337
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What I was getting at, is a belicheck run defense far superior to a our current defense right now?
It depends on how much more he could developed & motivated the weaknesses at the safety position in Ryan & Gilbert. The two biggest problems against the design QB runs this season were remaining disciplined on the outside & holding the edge.
Crashing down inside by the edges at times left huge running lanes.
The other problems were bad angles & a lack of getting ball handlers down on the ground by the safeties in run support. Ryan & Gilbert seem broken & unfixable. That would have been a huge challenge.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:14 pm to BigBrod81
I agree, he seems like a man who probably would have used the old saying, if you can’t do it, we will find someone who can, maybe play or use more freshman. I think development of our youngsters would look more promising for the future if that’s indeed what he would do
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:16 pm to BigBrod81
Btw, thank you for having a reasonable conversation and opinion, too many people on here think their opinion is absolutely the right way and set in stone
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:18 pm to BigBrod81
First, Belicheck is known as a great defensive coach, NOT an offensive mind. He was a good DC....HC without Brady meh to be kind. Let's look at Brady and Belicheck...once they went their separate ways. Brady WON a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay in 2020. Since Brady left NE, the Patriots and Beli haven't done squat... 7-9...10-7....8-9. 'nuff said!
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:25 pm to NotaStarGazer
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He was a good DC....
Just good? Belichick is easily the greatest defensive mind the game of football has ever seen. Parcells was a good DC in his own right but he even credits Belichick as being the greatest.
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Brady WON a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay in 2020.
You can scream & pout this all you want to but Brady doesn't win 6 championships & get by Manning in the AFC without Belichick's game planning against Peyton.
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'nuff said!
Back at you
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:27 pm to NotaStarGazer
I don’t disagree it takes a great qb to have a run like belicheck did, but his defense had great game plans for manning, the chargers with LT, and a few other teams who were suppose to dethrone them.i get what your saying but also as a head coach he knew what assistants were needed and surrounded himself with people who bought into the system, he didn’t go after just any flavor of the year
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:27 pm to NotaStarGazer
Dude he had the mid 90s browns in Super Bowl contention and his Perkins-Earhart offense is the most multidimensional offense ever created. Their 1st 3 super bowls were defense led, Brady never reached 30TDs in those years and their last Super Bowl win together was a 13-3 win over mcvay’s vaunted offense. Speaking of Brady’s SB in Tampa, they were struggling running Arian’s offense then Brady convinced Atians to switch to BBs offense and that’s when the team took off. The only crazy thing here is having to argue with people who say a guy who won 6 SBs, developed the best defensive player in history, the best QB in history and arguably the best ST player ever isn’t that good. On top of that let’s be honest, if LSU hired him people like you would be worshiping at his feet and making none of these arguments.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:27 pm to Primeminister337
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Btw, thank you for having a reasonable conversation and opinion, too many people on here think their opinion is absolutely the right way and set in stone
You are more than welcome & you must be talking about posters like this stubborn NotaStarGazer guy.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:30 pm to BigBrod81
What Madking just said, it was more than just defense, and his game time decisions and preparation go unrivaled.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:31 pm to Primeminister337
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I don’t disagree it takes a great qb to have a run like belicheck did, but his defense had great game plans for manning, the chargers with LT, and a few other teams who were suppose to dethrone them.i get what your saying but also as a head coach he knew what assistants were needed and surrounded himself with people who bought into the system, he didn’t go after just any flavor of the year
The Patriots also had some epic battles with Roethlisberger & the Steelers in the playoffs as well.
Also, not one mention that Belichick was one who even gave Brady a chance when all the other franchises & GMs passed on him in the draft. These clowns would argue Brady drafted himself & gave himself the opportunity to quarterback the Patriots.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:32 pm to BigBrod81
Their standards are always situational
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