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Would the triple option be successful in the SEC.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:00 pm
Given our continuous problem at recruiting a developing a QB, we could move to the Georgia Tech triple option. Would this work in the SEC.
Paul Johnson knows how to run this at GaTech.
Paul Johnson knows how to run this at GaTech.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:02 pm to axd9142a
It can work but I don't think that offense would work consistently against elite teams
Plus it takes all the correct pieces to have a chance for it to work
Plus it takes all the correct pieces to have a chance for it to work
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:04 pm to axd9142a
Spread up tempo benefits the qb a ton. Gives quick easy reads.
I dont know why LSU and LSU fans hate scoring lots of points.
We have been quite far behind in offensive system for some time now. It's embarrassing really.
Spread up tempo has proven success at the championship level and Nick Saban hates that offense because it completely negates his size advantage at DL and LB.
I dont know why LSU and LSU fans hate scoring lots of points.
We have been quite far behind in offensive system for some time now. It's embarrassing really.
Spread up tempo has proven success at the championship level and Nick Saban hates that offense because it completely negates his size advantage at DL and LB.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:14 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Spread up tempo benefits the qb a ton. Gives quick easy reads
Only if you have a competent QB and receivers that will catch the ball when thrown to the receivers. I remember seeing a video of practice a few years ago when Cameron was just doing basic pitch and catch drills with the QB's and receivers and they were dropping passes thrown to them without any DB's there to bother them.
If done correctly, the triple option can cause lots of problems. GTU racks up lots of ground yards per game with the offense
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:17 pm to axd9142a
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the triple option
It's something of an equalizer for teams that have less talent. Which is why you see the service academies run it.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:36 pm to Godfather1
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It's something of an equalizer for teams that have less talent or less talented HC. Which is why you see the service academies run it.
fify... which is why it might be perfect for us for the next 3 years
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I dont know why LSU and LSU fans hate scoring lots of points.
Because your defense will get gassed by halftime then you will still lose to teams like Bama because they will control TOP and your defense will not be able to stop them.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:54 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Spread up tempo benefits the qb a ton.
And we could do a Power/Smashmouth spread. No one describes Art Briles' offense as "soft" or "finessed."
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:06 pm to AshLSU
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Because your defense will get gassed by halftime
And the other team's defense somehow won't get gassed? LSU also has quicker LB's and DL than Bama with similar depth.
Bama has a big DL and LB corps which would put them to the ropes quicker than LSU.
Tell me:
How in 2014 did OLE MISS with BO WALLACE of all people pass for
18/31 251 yards 3 TD 0 INT and BEAT Bama scoring 23 points in the process?
How did they do that?
Then in 2015 Ole Miss beat them AGAIN scoring 43 POINTS
Chad Kelly was 18/33 for 341 yards with 3 TD 0 INT
In each of those wins Ole Miss had 76 rushing yards on 32 attempts and in the second win had 92 rushing yards on 32 total attempts.
Then last season Ole Miss played Bama had scored AGAIN 43 POINTS
Chad Kelly was 26/40 with 421 yards 3 TD 0 INT.
Team had 101 yards on 33 carries.
LSU is the ONLY TEAM in the SEC west that hasn't scored more than 20 points than Alabama in the last 6 years in any game they've played.
Why has Ole Miss had so much success against Alabama even beating them 2 years in a row (almost 3) while LSU has had virtually no success against Alabama to the tune of 6 losses in a row while never eclipsing 20 points since 2010?
Ole Miss ran and up tempo spread against Bama in all 3 meetings from 2014 to the 2016 game and went 2-1 against Bama.,
I'd be okay giving up 40 points on defense if we could go 2-1 against Bama over a 3 year span.
Your attitude of "OH NO BUT THE DEFENSE" is exactly the problem.
The added possessions from an up tempo spread add more opportunities for points and more snaps which would lead a view of "the defenses are worse". Reality is the defenses are not worse, they just need to be seen from the lens of a different style of play.
Let me guess, you'd rather lose 10-0 than win 48-43?
Is the Texas Tech style offense still the "gimmicky" offense in your mind? If thats how you see it then you're the mindset that holds LSU back from joining the ranks of the rest of college football and you probably constantly wonder why our QB never produces while walk-ons at Texas Tech, Syracuse, and god knows where else step on to the field and immediately start gunning the ball around in year 1.
You remember the Nat Champ game this past year?
Want to know how Clemson won that game?
THROUGH THE AIR.
Watson 36/56 420 yards 3 TD O INT
Clemson played fast, they spread those big DLs and LBs out and made Bama RUN and play speed with them.
LSU will never beat Bama with this offense they currently have. There's no way in hell.
LSU will continue to fall to mediocrity until someone realizes whats going on.
The defense can be as great as it wants, but the offense will always drag it down as it did ultimately under Miles.
You can barely stand going down by 10 points with the mud pit hodge podge mixed bag of plays type offense. You can't get in enough snaps, you take forever to set up plays, get the snap off, substitute the right personnel etc. Just like against Moo St.. We were down by 20 points, but still kept running the play clock down to 5 seconds before the snap, and then ran a fricking running play to top it off. Of COURSE we got smoked.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
Would be hard to recruit elite players knowing you run the option
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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And we could do a Power/Smashmouth spread. No one describes Art Briles' offense as "soft" or "finessed."
Oh no, don't tell that to these people. BUT THEIR DEFENSE SUCKS!!
frick them, Baylor went from 2-10 to 11-1 with that offense with far less talent than LSU had. Baylor could only dream of having the talent LSU has had the last decade and a half.
They still see Baylor as a "gimmicky" offense that will "never beat the elite teams".
Well Ole Miss did that shite and fricking beat Bama's arse TWICE and almost a third time in a row last season.
Explain that shite, huh?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:26 pm to axd9142a
Nope then yall would definitely be complaining about not throwing the ball in the triple option the receivers hardly even touch the ball
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:35 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Spread up tempo benefits the qb a ton. Gives quick easy reads.
I dont know why LSU and LSU fans hate scoring lots of points.
We have been quite far behind in offensive system for some time now. It's embarrassing really.
Agree 100%
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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And we could do a Power/Smashmouth spread. No one describes Art Briles' offense as "soft" or "finessed
Ohio state, now bama run power spread
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:52 pm to axd9142a
It has been tried if you recall...
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:53 pm to prepsportsallday
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Ohio state, now bama run power spread
Ohio State and Bama also have the best talent in the country on the OL and at running back. Its hardly a sign LSU should follow suit.
As you can see LSU has and continues to be operating at a talent disadvantage when playing against Bama.
We've been doing this "fight fire with fire" thing against Bama for awhile now and 6 straight losses is a pretty strong indicator it doesn't work. Time to take the hint.
Oh and LSU is the only team since 2011 in the SEC West to never eclipse 20 points in a game against Alabama.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:43 pm to axd9142a
If Tommie Frazier and the reanimated corpse of Lawrence Phillips have any eligibility remaining, I would consider it.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:57 pm to tiggerthetooth
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quote: Because your defense will get gassed by halftime And the other team's defense somehow won't get gassed? LSU also has quicker LB's and DL than Bama with similar depth. Bama has a big DL and LB corps which would put them to the ropes quicker than LSU. Tell me: How in 2014 did OLE MISS with BO WALLACE of all people pass for 18/31 251 yards 3 TD 0 INT and BEAT Bama scoring 23 points in the process? How did they do that? Then in 2015 Ole Miss beat them AGAIN scoring 43 POINTS Chad Kelly was 18/33 for 341 yards with 3 TD 0 INT In each of those wins Ole Miss had 76 rushing yards on 32 attempts and in the second win had 92 rushing yards on 32 total attempts. Then last season Ole Miss played Bama had scored AGAIN 43 POINTS Chad Kelly was 26/40 with 421 yards 3 TD 0 INT. Team had 101 yards on 33 carries. LSU is the ONLY TEAM in the SEC west that hasn't scored more than 20 points than Alabama in the last 6 years in any game they've played. Why has Ole Miss had so much success against Alabama even beating them 2 years in a row (almost 3) while LSU has had virtually no success against Alabama to the tune of 6 losses in a row while never eclipsing 20 points since 2010? Ole Miss ran and up tempo spread against Bama in all 3 meetings from 2014 to the 2016 game and went 2-1 against Bama., I'd be okay giving up 40 points on defense if we could go 2-1 against Bama over a 3 year span. Your attitude of "OH NO BUT THE DEFENSE" is exactly the problem. The added possessions from an up tempo spread add more opportunities for points and more snaps which would lead a view of "the defenses are worse". Reality is the defenses are not worse, they just need to be seen from the lens of a different style of play. Let me guess, you'd rather lose 10-0 than win 48-43? Is the Texas Tech style offense still the "gimmicky" offense in your mind? If thats how you see it then you're the mindset that holds LSU back from joining the ranks of the rest of college football and you probably constantly wonder why our QB never produces while walk-ons at Texas Tech, Syracuse, and god knows where else step on to the field and immediately start gunning the ball around in year 1. You remember the Nat Champ game this past year? Want to know how Clemson won that game? THROUGH THE AIR. Watson 36/56 420 yards 3 TD O INT Clemson played fast, they spread those big DLs and LBs out and made Bama RUN and play speed with them. LSU will never beat Bama with this offense they currently have. There's no way in hell. LSU will continue to fall to mediocrity until someone realizes whats going on. The defense can be as great as it wants, but the offense will always drag it down as it did ultimately under Miles. You can barely stand going down by 10 points with the mud pit hodge podge mixed bag of plays type offense. You can't get in enough snaps, you take forever to set up plays, get the snap off, substitute the right personnel etc. Just like against Moo St.. We were down by 20 points, but still kept running the play clock down to 5 seconds before the snap, and then ran a fricking running play to top it off. Of COURSE we got smoked.
Ole Miss had a ton of luck that happened that helped them beat Bama both years.
They also lost to other teams those same years including a loss to fricking Memphis.
Clemson beat Bama last year for one reason and one reason only. Kiffin took a head coaching job and did not coach in the championship game.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:11 pm to AshLSU
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Ole Miss had a ton of luck that happened that helped them beat Bama both years.
We're talking strictly offensive production here.
Luck 3 years in a row?
Was Clemson lucky too against Bama 2 years in a row?
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They also lost to other teams those same years including a loss to fricking Memphis.
And is the make up of the talent at ole miss as good as LSU? Yet they were capable of going toe to toe with Bama anyways consistently.
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Clemson beat Bama last year for one reason and one reason only. Kiffin took a head coaching job and did not coach in the championship game.
What about the year before where Clemson scored 40 points? Another lucky fluke offense?
Are all consistent patterns flukes to you?
The writing is on the wall. LSU has had the worst offensive output to talent ratio in probably all of college football the last decade and there's one mega giant obvious reason for that.
There's also one mega giant proven method to beating Alabama (or at least scoring points) and it's not exactly a miracle from God or a wish from a genie's lamp.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:14 pm to tiggerthetooth
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LSU also has quicker LB's and DL than Bama with similar depth.
No sir.
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