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re: Would Lane Kiffin make that much of a difference
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:22 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:22 pm to Tiger Ree
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Thanks in advance !!!
Ruffin at east carolina comes to mind... ole boy at Texas tech comes to mind... happens all the time actually.. as long as you have a great motivator it can be done... Thats all Oregeron is.. just an emotional guy... emotion wears off though.. I want a brain, a tactician.. Aranda... Id take kiffen in a heartbeat but you lose aranda if you do that.. give the keys to aranda and let him hire his OC, done...
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:24 pm to Goldrush25
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Well he can form intelligible sentences for one.
A trait he shares with Miles!
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
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It's either a good idea or it's not.
Do you know what a dilemma is? You can actually have two undesirable options. If you're forcing me to pick one I'm saying Kiffin. He's the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make him a good idea. If I had more options then Kiffin wouldn't make the cut but since he's only going up against Orgeron, that's an easy choice for me.
That doesn't mean I'd be happy with it but I think he does a lesser amount of damage to the program long term.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:27 pm to Goldrush25
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Do you know what a dilemma is? You can actually have two undesirable options. If you're forcing me to pick one I'm saying Kiffin. He's the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make him a good idea. If I had more options then Kiffin wouldn't make the cut but since he's only going up against Orgeron, that's an easy choice for me.
That doesn't mean I'd be happy with it but I think he does a lesser amount of damage to the program long term.
This.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:27 pm to Tiger Ree
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Ed Orgeron’s alleged tryout for recruit Brandon Willis is one of those episodes. Orgeron allegedly personally conducted a workout with Willis on Willis’ high school campus in May 2009. That’s several months before an in-person meeting between Orgeron and Willis and off of Tennessee’s campus would’ve been permissible.
LINK
Tennessee self-imposed their probation after everybody bolted for USC since everything was a secondary violation.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:45 pm to Goldrush25
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Do you know what a dilemma is? You can actually have two undesirable options. If you're forcing me to pick one I'm saying Kiffin. He's the lesser of two evils. That doesn't make him a good idea. If I had more options then Kiffin wouldn't make the cut but since he's only going up against Orgeron, that's an easy choice for me.
That doesn't mean I'd be happy with it but I think he does a lesser amount of damage to the program long term.
You think it wouldn't do more damage to the program to fire Orgeron after one year and hire a coach you admittedly don't like to replace him? You don't think, long-term, firing a coach one year into a contract after a 9-4 season to hire a guy like Lane Kiffin wouldn't be just as catastrophic to the program than letting Orgeron coach, firing him if he doesn't get the job done, and hiring a god candidate to replace him?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
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You think it wouldn't do more damage to the program to fire Orgeron after one year and hire a coach you admittedly don't like to replace him? You don't think, long-term, firing a coach one year into a contract after a 9-4 season to hire a guy like Lane Kiffin wouldn't be just as catastrophic to the program than letting Orgeron coach, firing him if he doesn't get the job done, and hiring a god candidate to replace him?
Nah, he'd be ok. Lane's learned from his mistakes.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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name all the other interim coaches.
So you agree that o was lucky to be in the right place at the right time, TWICE. It's about time you acknowledged that fact.
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So did the coaches that got fired.
I can't comment on the USC situation. I'm not sure how many of those coaches were hand picked by Kiffin. But in my opinion, Kiffin fricked up by doing all the crazy things he did. Like having a ball boy deflate game balls, illegally having players switching jerseys during games and shady recruiting practices.
Les just overstayed his welcome. His teams had leveled off with 9 and 10 win seasons and the powers to be at LSU decided that wasn't good enough anymore. Why Alleva decided o was the man to move LSU in the right direction is a mystery to me, but it is what it is.
Bottom line here is, Pat Haden had enough of Kiffin's shite, and had enough common sense to realize that o was not the answer to USC's problems. Alleva had enough of Miles shite and completely lost his mind to think that o is the answer to LSU's problems.
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Like Ole Miss over a decade ago?
Are you trying to claim that o had a successful stint at Ole Miss?
The fricking idiot only won THREE conference games in 3 years!
frick Ree!
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Is there any evidence to suggest otherwise?
I would say that his record at Ole Miss suggest that he couldn't do it at a school that doesn't have superior talent.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:02 pm to Tiger Ree
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He took a team that was ranked the #1 team in the country to unranked at season's end. The next season he was fired at the airport after being blown out by a shite team. What are you smoking? Can I have some/
Careful. You might have to start blowing Kiffin if he gets the job when O gets fired. You don't want to leave a paper trail.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Ree
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The next season he was fired at the airport after being blown out by a shite team.
Being blown out by a shite team? Arizona State won that game by a score of 62-41. I suppose you could call that "being blown out", but that "shite team" finished the season with a 10-4 record, won the PAC-12 South and ranked 21st in the final AP poll.
So Arizona State going 10-4 and winning this division is a "shite team", but o's team going 9-4 and finishing 3rd in their division is considered a great year, in your eyes.
Jesus jumped up and down Ree.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:06 pm to earl keese
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So Arizona State going 10-4 and winning this division is a " shite team", but o's team going 9-4 and finishing 3rd in their division is considered a great year, in your eyes
Kiffin never lost to Troy either.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:10 pm to RedTigerRulz
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A trait he shares with Miles!
It's ok to kick Miles in the nuts but you sorry motherfrickers need to leave o alone! Damn Red.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:16 pm to Goldrush25
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kiffin never lost to Troy either.
Sure the frick didn't. But i saw ree post something earlier (not sure if it was this thread) about how he didn't even know that sunbelt teams could qualify for bowl games.
Lying shitbird. But he'll use Troy's record and bowl game as an excuse for o losing to a sunbelt team.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:36 pm to Goldrush25
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Nah, he'd be ok. Lane's learned from his mistakes.
I don't know why you feel the need to be so obtuse. You've already you said you don't like Lane Kiffin and he is only slightly better than Orgeron in your opinion. I've already said I'm not asking you who you think is a better coach. I'm simply asking what you think would be more detrimental to the program, firing a coach after one year to hire a guy you've already said you don't think is a whole lot better or letting Orgeron ride it out to hire a coach that is actually good. You know what the answer to that is, but if all you want to to do is to continue crying about Orgeron every day then by all means.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:43 pm to lsufball19
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You've already you said you don't like Lane Kiffin and he is only slightly better than Orgeron in your opinion
I didn't say that. In terms of coaching ability he's light years ahead of Orgeron. It's his baggage that would cause me concern if we were hiring him.
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I'm simply asking what you think would be more detrimental to the program, firing a coach after one year to hire a guy you've already said you don't think is a whole lot better or letting Orgeron ride it out to hire a coach that is actually good
Well that's a little tricky because I'm not totally certain that they wouldn't frick up the hire again after letting O ride out his contract.
It's kind of a bird in the hand/two in the bush type of situation. I might rather Kiffin right now than have faith that they'd get it right 3 years from now, after O has run this thing into the ground.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:54 pm to Goldrush25
I swear some of you people have PTSD from this Orgeron hire that it causes you to think irrationally the point of being psychotic. I can assure you of one truth in all of this. Ed Orgeron will be the coach of LSU in 2018. No matter how many circular and re-hashed arguments you have had from the day he was hired to the present or any of the same arguments you assuredly will continue to have because you can't help yourself, he will still be the coach in 2018. I guess it's not up to me as to how you spend your time, but I would have been exhausted having the same argument day after day after day by now. I promise everyone knows your stance on Ed Orgeron.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:12 pm to burke985
All you need to know right here. Neither Coach O or Ensminger are this this good at X's and O's on the offensive side of the ball....
Lane Kiffin call'em them
Say what you want about Lane as a person....he is what he is. However, the guy can straight up coach offense.
Lane Kiffin call'em them
Say what you want about Lane as a person....he is what he is. However, the guy can straight up coach offense.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:18 pm to lsufball19
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swear some of you people have PTSD from this Orgeron hire that it causes you to think irrationally the point of being psychotic. I can assure you of one truth in all of this. Ed Orgeron will be the coach of LSU in 2018. No matter how many circular and re-hashed arguments you have had from the day he was hired to the present or any of the same arguments you assuredly will continue to have because you can't help yourself, he will still be the coach in 2018. I guess it's not up to me as to how you spend your time, but I would have been exhausted having the same argument day after day after day by now. I promise everyone knows your stance on Ed Orgeron.
Quality melt.
Who says O won't be HC here in 2018? The entire premise of this thread was based on a hypothetical so I indulged.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:22 pm to Goldrush25
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Quality melt.
How ironic. You've been melting over Orgeron for about 17 months now.
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so I indulged.
shocking.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:24 pm to Goldrush25
Kiffen is slime. Great coordinator. Miserable person, douche, jackass. I like the idea that he would run the offense but he's junk as a person. Would rather just let Orgeron/Alleva both get replaced and start over.
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