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re: Will Wade was a mediocre coach at BEST
Posted on 11/30/23 at 9:26 am to WaydownSouth
Posted on 11/30/23 at 9:26 am to WaydownSouth
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This. We were set up going into last year to make a final 4 run if they didn’t nuke the program.
It was setting up to (potentially) be Wade's best roster since 2018-19. No question. But Final Four run is probably a bit too hyperbolic. This is where I kind of push back on the hyperbolic love of Wade (just like I do with the hyperbolic hate for him). Wade's biggest flaw here was his teams were always (except for 18-19 to a lesser degree) horribly unbalanced. Often they were elite offensively (beating all odds by playing "street ball"), and terrible defensively. That imbalance completely flipped in his final season at LSU where his team was tremendous defensively. Balanced teams are who win championships. Could the 22-23 team under Wade finally have achieved that balance? Maybe. But until it happened I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that it would.
All of that said, under Wade you at least felt LSU had a fighting CHANCE for greatness each year. Right now the program is just mired in apathy. No one really even gets angry at the losses anymore. They are just expected. I'd rather care enough to become angry than just not care at all.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 9:27 am
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 9:30 am to pwejr88
Mcneese will be the best team in the state this year. #1 in kenpom now
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:05 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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Mcneese will be the best team in the state this year. #1 in kenpom now
I don't think it will happen, though it is not wholly inconceivable considering Michigan is nose-diving under Juwan Howard,. But if McNeese somehow beats Michigan (in Ann Arbor) at the end of Dec while LSU gets thumped by both Kansas St and Texas (very conceivable), whatever remaining basketball fans LSU has left may actually throw tomatoes at Woodward given Wade, in ONE offseason, would have completely turned around maybe the worst D-1 program in the state while his predecessor at LSU will be fully in the midst of leading the program to its lowest depths in nearly 30 years.
I don't want to see that because I am an LSU basketball fan. But if it does happen, McMahon will have no one left in his corner besides his family, Woodward, and the poster on here who once met McMahon after a game. I don't necessarily want that for McMahon. But that is a very real potential reality.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:25 am to pwejr88
He produced a lot of hot air - the king of "big talk."
His fan boyz bought into it. They lined up for him like preteen girls line up for Taylor Swift.
He was a charlatan. Good riddance.
His fan boyz bought into it. They lined up for him like preteen girls line up for Taylor Swift.
He was a charlatan. Good riddance.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:27 am to Fat Bastard
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woulda done great here over 30 years i have zero doubt.
The "would have" and "could have" of the Wadeophiles.
If he was the coach you sycophants describe, he would now be employed by a better program.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:31 am to pwejr88
Ole stupid arse mofo
Go to LSU basketball wiki and see the yearly tournament appearances.
Stupid count
Go to LSU basketball wiki and see the yearly tournament appearances.
Stupid count
Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:43 am to chinhoyang
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The "would have" and "could have" of the Wadeophiles.
If he was the coach you sycophants describe, he would now be employed by a better program
You could say the same for Chris Beard who is at Ole Miss. Or Rick Pitino when he was at Iona. You know why he's not at a better program this season. But if he performs well at McNeese this season (and thus far the best predictive metrics out there have McNeese as a better team than LSU) he will be at a bigger job quickly.
Do some on here exaggerate Wade's success at LSU and his potential? Absolutely. But it is disingenuous and asinine to deny he was the most consistently successful coach the LSU program has had in three decades. And when you look at the current state of the program, trending quickly to depths not seen since the late 90's, it's very hard to blame fans for wanting the guy who consistently had LSU playing in the NCAA Tournament.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:25 am to Alt26
That guy isn’t an LSU fan and celebrates anytime our basketball team is a bottom dweller so don’t listen to a thing he says.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:28 am to pwejr88
And the only person to shut down Micheal Jordan was Dean Smith...
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:38 am to chinhoyang
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He produced a lot of hot air - the king of "big talk."
You think Johnny jones is a great coach, you thought the lakers would beat the nuggets in the playoffs last year, you don’t know there is an actual world champion of basketball, and you lied about riding trains around the country for attention.
You, quite literally, do not know shite about basketball. And you are a completely worthless human being that wastes both hot and cold air with every breath you take.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:47 am to Alt26
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But if McNeese somehow beats Michigan (in Ann Arbor) at the end of Dec while LSU gets thumped by both Kansas St and Texas (very conceivable), whatever remaining basketball fans LSU has left may actually throw tomatoes at Woodward given Wade, in ONE offseason, would have completely turned around maybe the worst D-1 program in the state while his predecessor at LSU will be fully in the midst of leading the program to its lowest depths in nearly 30 years.
If he goes up to Michigan and wins, and we get embarressed yet again like everyone expects to KSU and Texas, then I'd donate money to the McMahon buyout fund so we can rehire The General immediately.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 12:55 pm to Broski
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Using his wife's checks to pay players doesn't exactly scream stability to me.
That's because NIL didn't exist at the time and unlike schools like Duke and Kansas, Wade never received any support from boosters to acquire any of these players, so he did it himself. Was it tacky? Yes, but he was trying to better the program.
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if Wade were to really start putting the rest of the basketball world on notice a college that supports the sport more than LSU does would've poached him at some point.
He didn't want to leave. He wanted to build something here. He had the drive and passion to do it but not the support. We succumbed to the pressure from the NCAA because of the football allegations. I 100% believe that the NCAA told the administration that football wouldn't be punish badly if they fired Wade. They did and still got popped for probation.
Idc that he did something that is now legal to do. Just wished he had someone else to do it lol. Wade brought so much excitement to the program which has since diminished with McMahon. He just rubbed too many blue bloods the wrong way, was careless and got caught. Sucks but with the amount of recruits that were set to come here and the buzz around the program it makes you wonder what could've been.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:08 pm to Alt26
quote:It's disheartening that even the diehards feel the apathy prior to the close of November. I've said throughout the years that Nov/Dec basketball isn't that important.
Right now the program is just mired in apathy. No one really even gets angry at the losses anymore. They are just expected. I'd rather care enough to become angry than just not care at all.
However, I think this year it is. Coming off of last years dreadful performance, most fans were looking for a glimmer of hope and Coach Mc starting to put it together. Instead, we'll leave November with even more doubts. Even some basketball fans that were the most ardent Coach Mc believers have wavered in their belief.
The drive-by posters don't mean a lot to me. When you've been here long enough you know them by name and they always spout the same idiocy.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:30 pm to tigergirl26
At no point is a player (or their baby’s mama) allowed to be paid my any member of the staff. NIL existing now doesn’t change that.
The NCAA has zero reason to make “deals” with schools to fire staff, especially in different sports. That is an assumption made by someone that attenuated on this board to the point that people received it as truth. Wade was fired because he didn’t cooperate.
The NCAA has zero reason to make “deals” with schools to fire staff, especially in different sports. That is an assumption made by someone that attenuated on this board to the point that people received it as truth. Wade was fired because he didn’t cooperate.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 1:38 pm to Mats86
quote:I agree, NIL doesn't include extortion from a VCU players girlfriend.
At no point is a player (or their baby’s mama) allowed to be paid my any member of the staff. NIL existing now doesn’t change that.
quote:Over half the board thinks MBB fell on the sword. The NCAA is above such nonsense.
The NCAA has zero reason to make “deals” with schools to fire staff, especially in different sports. That is an assumption made by someone that attenuated on this board to the point that people received it as truth.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 2:20 pm to Mats86
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At no point is a player (or their baby’s mama) allowed to be paid my any member of the staff. NIL existing now doesn’t change that.
With NIL now there are no members of any staffs at any school in any sport paying players directly. Because it’s perfectly legal for them to instruct just about anyone else not directly affiliated with the school to do it for them.
How are you people too dense to understand this?
Posted on 11/30/23 at 2:36 pm to pwejr88
obvious that you never attended a game before the Will Wade Era!!!!!
Posted on 11/30/23 at 2:44 pm to Mats86
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The NCAA has zero reason to make “deals”
Sure they do. A "deal" allows them to save the time, effort and expense of fully investigating/"litigating" a case. It's really no different than a settlement in a civil lawsuit or a plea deal in a criminal action. Each side accepts less than they may fully obtain in exchange for ending the time/expense of continuing the case and avoidance of the risk of a loss.
If a school offers to accept some sort of penalty (or fire a coach) in exchange for a dismissal of the investigation, the NCAA will always consider taking it because it would alleviate their need to further investigate the case, and allow them to shift resources/efforts elsewhere.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:04 pm to Open Your Eyes
See above where poster stated he did something that is now legal to do. That is 100% false.
I agree that there is a legal path for staff to get players money through deals for “advertising” with local business.
I agree that there is a legal path for staff to get players money through deals for “advertising” with local business.
Posted on 11/30/23 at 3:10 pm to Mats86
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See above where poster stated he did something that is now legal to do. That is 100% false.
You're taking it too literal.
All anyone is saying is that it's legal and extremely easy now to "pay" players. No one thinks that it is now legal for a coach to write a personal check to a player, or for his wife to do so, simply that it is extremely easy to get players the money they desire, and that they have always been recieving in a legal way now.
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