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re: Will LSU be able to Run the Ball?

Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:43 pm to
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:43 pm to
not by the time he's a starting Junior.

He's going to make a huge jump this offseason and if it wasn't for his being hobbled late in the season people would have seen his improvement a little more easily.

Him being unable to move the pocket v's Ole Miss and Arky masked how much he's improved.
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 10:44 pm
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44576 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:46 pm to
I didn't say we were an effective rushing team.

I said we haven't attempted to be an effective rushing team.

At any point this season that we were running well - which may or may not be limited - we stopped doing it.

Anyone that watched any LSU game this season and saw CS or KW or Ridley run off a 12 yard gain then immediately hit the bench for 6 straight passes and doesn't realize it just wants to see what they want to.

Again, moneyg, I do think you are a good poster. But if you possibly believe that LSU even attempted to follow rushing success with more rushing attempts, you are wrong. The opposite was almost always true.

Ask fifty random posters here, "Why didn't KW get more carries when he was running so well?" And to a man, I promise you they'll say, "Which game?"
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 10:48 pm
Posted by tygerboy17
NYC
Member since Nov 2009
1365 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:46 pm to
ok... i want 2 believe u and i hope to god u are right... i believe more than most people that JJ will be a great LSU qb, I was just saying he def isnt there yet... hopefully a new OC/QB coach will help him next year
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 10:48 pm
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:46 pm to
For someone who has just read about LSU in these boards in the past two days - and watched a couple of games - you sure do have an in depth viewpoint of the games/players.

The questions about running game/crowton's play calling are quite similar to the rantards.

I call alter.
Posted by tygerboy17
NYC
Member since Nov 2009
1365 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:49 pm to
quote:

I didn't say we were an effective rushing team.

I said we haven't attempted to be an effective rushing team.

At any point this season that we were running well - which may or may not be limited - we stopped doing it.

Anyone that watched any LSU game this season and saw CS or KW or Ridley run off a 12 yard gain then immediately hit the bench for 6 straight passes just wants to see what they want to.

Again, moneyg, I do think you are a good poster. But if you possibly believe that LSU even attempted to follow rushing success with more rushing attempts, you are wrong. The opposite was almost always true.

Ask fifty random posters here, "Why didn't KW get more carries when he was running so well?" And to a man, I promise you they'll say, "Which game?"



+100
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61621 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

I didn't say we were an effective rushing team.

I said we haven't attempted to be an effective rushing team.

At any point this season that we were running well - which may or may not be limited - we stopped doing it.

Anyone that watched any LSU game this season and saw CS or KW or Ridley run off a 12 yard gain then immediately hit the bench for 6 straight passes just wants to see what they want to.

Again, moneyg, I do think you are a good poster. But if you possibly believe that LSU even attempted to follow rushing success with more rushing attempts, you are wrong. The opposite was almost always true.

Ask fifty random posters here, "Why didn't KW get more carries when he was running so well?" And to a man, I promise you they'll say, "Which game?"


I just posted the stats. Balance is what everyone wants.

We've rushed more than we've passed in every game except Auburn (our best offensive production) and Ole Miss.

So, while there may have been times when we didn't commit to the run, more often than not we were ineffective. And if we were effective, we ran the ball a lot more than we passed it.

You are missing the boat. The OL is very poor.
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 10:59 pm
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
44576 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 10:58 pm to
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Balance is what everyone wants.

Who is the everyone you speak of? I want what works. I've seen teams run the same play 8+ times in a row with success. Alabama in 2002 did it to us with the trap draw and we did it to MSU in TS in the early 00's (sorry, can't remember the year). We ran 8 straight runs for a TD. They just couldn't stop it.
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while there may have been times when we didn't commit to the run, we were either ineffective or we ran the ball a lot more than we passed it.

You know just as anyone that stats can be skewed. Did we continue to run when we had success or did we just end up with more rushes because we ran the ball more? May sound like a strange question, but the meaning is clear.
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You are missing the boat. The OL is very poor.

I am not making excuses or saying the OL was good by any means. I am stating that this team in my truly honest and humble opinion was coached to not capitalize on their successes and instead relied on a random assortment of play calls that provided no cohesion which in itself disrupts sustained success.
Posted by PennState
Member since Dec 2009
27 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:00 pm to
CalTiger

With internet, message board, various web sources to view highlights and clips of game even you could get a rough understanding of the Penn State offense/defense. All it takes it time, an understanding of football, and not being lazy.

Paying a subscription to Rivals/Scout/ESPN also gives one access to player profiles, defensive schemes, and offensive play calling knowledge.

Just skimming through the title's of threads you see that the vast majority are about Penn State/Saban/ or Crowton. If some LSU fans would dive into learning about Penn State and the Big 10 instead of what happened 2 and 3 years ago in the BCS National Title game maybe they would understand who the Penn State playmakers are, how good our defense is, what kind of defense we play, and the level of competition we have played.

It really is not that hard, just takes time and knowledge.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:37 pm to
We have seen too many rantards create new aliases for dumb reasons, hence the suspicion - maybe you are a genuine guy who wants to talk football -
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:40 pm to
quote:

Will LSU be able to Run the Ball?


Of course not, but we will still win.

Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:44 pm to
quote:

Davey,Mauck,Russell,Flynn>> JJ


Davey and Randall yes. Mauck and Flynn no.
Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:51 pm to
Really???
Jefferson over Rohan???

I mean I like Jefferson and all but c'mon its freaking Rohan Davey. Jefferson is good but he isn't on Rohan levels yet... Wait did I get my <> messed up

frick studying
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 11:53 pm
Posted by rcocke2
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
1690 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

So, while there may have been times when we didn't commit to the run, more often than not we were ineffective. And if we were effective, we ran the ball a lot more than we passed it.

You are missing the boat. The OL is very poor.


+1...It was painfully obvious all season long that the running game was ineffective. We were weak at the tight end position, blocking wise, and we also had no true blocking fullback. We did not have the personnel this year for a power running game. In light of this I think Jefferson did a solid job.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26230 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 11:56 pm to
mauck... Flynn... And h tyler... Were all better than jj. not bashing jj we have just had a long string of really good qb's.
Posted by TigerinSoCal
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2008
996 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 12:18 am to
quote:

I think the relevant question actually is, "Will LSU continue to run the ball after they have success." Because the answer to that question the entire year has been a resounding, "No!".


Damn, ain't that the truth!!

But seriously, I think we'll see a whole "new" LSU team come New Year's day. Everyone who can play will be healthy and Crowton will have plenty of time to work on a game plan. I think Penn State will see a lot of different looks compared to what they will see from reviewing the games from this season. I think Shepard will be used a lot more with the added time to work him into the line up (ok, so we've all been saying this all year, but if Crowton can't work Shepard into the game plan with a month to prepare, then when will he?).
Posted by berryNation
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
487 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 12:21 am to
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Jordan Jefferson is the 2nd best LSU QB this decade.


ill admit im not as down on jefferson as others are--i think he has potential, but you cannot put him over flynn or mauck--perhaps rohan davey if he has a solid season next year--if jefferson can get the tigers to a bcs game next year, then its arguable, but you cant put jefferson above mauck or flynn
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 6:48 am to
I should have said that he will be the 2nd best LSU QB this decade by next season. The jump from your 1st full year of starting to your 2nd as a QB is absolutely huge if you have the work ethic, determination, and room to grow as a player.

This post was edited on 12/9/09 at 6:49 am
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 7:04 am to
Take a look at some stats from our game v. Arkansas:

17-of-25 passing: 179 yds.
38 carries for 147 yards.

I think you'll see a similar pass/run ratio in the bowl game. Also, it's pretty likely we'll gain more yards by air than by ground. Ridley, Holliday, Shep and JJ will carry the ball. If Holliday and Shep can get some big yardage plays we'll see a much more explosive offense than we've been used to this season. We'll see Jan. 1.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10930 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 7:31 am to
Last time I checked you played in the Big 10. LSU as bad as they looked sometimes would have won the Big 10 with ease.


The real question will be:

Will LSU be up for playing another lesser opponent from the Big 10?
Posted by aglandry
lafayette
Member since Oct 2008
2574 posts
Posted on 12/9/09 at 7:49 am to
The O-Line inconsistency has been the major problem this year with the offense. We can't run up the middle except with backups in the game. Best runs by Holliday, Shepard, Scott etc. has been between tackle & guard or around end. Consistently sacked QB because of breakdown or just being overpowered up front. Too many illegal procedure penalties in critical situations by O-Linemen killing drives. If LSU coaches correct the problems with OL, LSU can beat any team they play.
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