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Posted on 5/6/17 at 2:42 pm to Laman1978
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How do people know that Orgeron and the assistant coaches aren't soaking up everything Aranda is teaching?
Wow. That's what every fan base wants to hear.
We shpuldve offered Aranda the job. We could've tried to make him a lsu lifer.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 2:43 pm to doubleb
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It's not a unique strategy, doesn't Clemson have the same type situation and it seems to work fairly well.
No. Dabo is heavily involved in the offense and was the offensive play caller during his interim tenure.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 2:44 pm to vjm41
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Miles was an OC not a very good one but an OC, more years than not our offense ranked among the worst in College Footba
No.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 2:47 pm to tigerfoot
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Except for Sabah or Meyer every hire carried risks.
Yeah but Ad's and anyone making hired tried to minimize those risks.
Hiring someone that has been a position coach for 29 of his 32 years is one of the biggest risks you can take.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 2:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Lots of mocking of the OP, but it does have some valid points.
When we see LSU football, we will see various aspects of the coaches stamped on the product.
Orgeron promises us he will put top athletes and recruits out there on the field, so that we're not mismatched against anyone, and often WE create the mismatch. BTW that was also Miles' signature.
On defense we see an Aranda defense, like we used to see a Chevis one. On offense we will see a Canada scheme, like we used to see a Crowton one.
When (not if) these coordinators leave for better jobs, we're back to the O factor; better players. We hope to see another good scheme implemented, but it's hire-dependent.
Someone mentioned Saban above- not the same issue. We will always see a Saban defense, regardless of anything else. That's the bread and butter. If Aranda went to Bama, you might see some wrinkles, but Saban would not scrap his system.
Same with Gus or Freeze, and the offenses they run. They won't change as much with other coordinators, only tweak things a little.
When we see LSU football, we will see various aspects of the coaches stamped on the product.
Orgeron promises us he will put top athletes and recruits out there on the field, so that we're not mismatched against anyone, and often WE create the mismatch. BTW that was also Miles' signature.
On defense we see an Aranda defense, like we used to see a Chevis one. On offense we will see a Canada scheme, like we used to see a Crowton one.
When (not if) these coordinators leave for better jobs, we're back to the O factor; better players. We hope to see another good scheme implemented, but it's hire-dependent.
Someone mentioned Saban above- not the same issue. We will always see a Saban defense, regardless of anything else. That's the bread and butter. If Aranda went to Bama, you might see some wrinkles, but Saban would not scrap his system.
Same with Gus or Freeze, and the offenses they run. They won't change as much with other coordinators, only tweak things a little.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:12 pm to timlan2057
Good god, it's may . Give this shite a break.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:17 pm to Scoob
What I don't get is why people don't think Coach O doesn't "know" a specific side of the ball? The man has coached defense for his whole career you don't think that maybe he learned a thing or two about defense during that time. Yes he never called plays before but the man probably knows defense and definitely knows what it takes to build a good one. What I do like about him is that he is a d line guy and with all the changes that have gone on in college football the game is still won in the trenches.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:24 pm to geauxtigers33
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What I don't get is why people don't think Coach O doesn't "know" a specific side of the ball?
Because 29 of his 32 years as been as a position coach. No one thought enough of his defensive coaching to offer him a DC job.
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The man has coached defense for his whole career you don't think that maybe he learned a thing or two about defense during that time
Name a time he has proven he can run a defense.
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Yes he never called plays before but the man probably knows defense and definitely knows what it takes to build a good one.
I know what it takes to build a good defense. Why not hire me?
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What I do like about him is that he is a d line guy and with all the changes that have gone on in college football the game is still won in the trenches.
That's not always the case anymore in cfb. HUNH and spread offenses have negated some very good dline play.Of course it's great to have better lineman but the team with better line play doesnt always win.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:29 pm to tigerfoot
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Except for Sabah or Meyer every hire carried risks.
And the guy we hired was the biggest risk of them all
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:34 pm to timlan2057
Good question. This model is not sustainable in my opinion. Not necessarily because Alleva is like the manager you mentioned (he may be, I don't know) but because Orgeron will want a lot more money if he wins big and Alleva will cave. All the "dream job" talk is bs. Orgeron, like everyone else, wants money and power. With some success, He will not want to remain a bargain salaried P5 coach.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:39 pm to rickyh
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Do you realize that even Saban has to replace coordinators on a regular bases. Ir's called success. You know nothing about big time football.
You totally missed the point of his post. You know nothing about reading comprehension.
All the downvotes for a legitimate question and a pretty good point. He wasn't saying it wasn't going to work. He was asking what might happen if it does work and you have to keep going with it. Will we stick with the strategy?
It's a legit question.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:51 pm to AlaTiger
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All the downvotes for a legitimate question and a pretty good point. He wasn't saying it wasn't going to work. He was asking what might happen if it does work
He should have asked that in the title to help out the retards.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 4:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
What was Dabo before he became HC? OC? No.
He never was the offensive guru.
He never was the offensive guru.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 5:15 pm to vjm41
quote:A) Which offensive category?
Miles was an OC not a very good one but an OC, more years than not our offense ranked among the worst in College Football.
B) National rank is hardly a level playing field defensive opponent-wise.
LSU was in bottom half of SEC PPG and YPP maybe 3 years out of 12 ('09, '12, '14) IIRC.
I'll add the 4 highest scoring offenses (TDs rushing and passing) at LSU occurred during the time you mention.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 5:18 pm to doubleb
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What was Dabo before he became HC? OC? No.
He never was the offensive guru.
He was the oc and offensive play caller during his interim tenure. Educate yourself.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 5:29 pm to timlan2057
Coach O has like 1.5 million in incentives that he can earn for winning ball games.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 5:41 pm to Mayhawman
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LSU was in bottom half of SEC PPG and YPP maybe 3 years out of 12 ('09, '12, '14) IIRC.
I'll add the 4 highest scoring offenses (TDs rushing and passing) at LSU occurred during the time you mention.
Stats are only meaningful if they show lsu sucking. Any other time they are just stats and dont tell the "real"story.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:01 pm to rickyh
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Do you realize that even Saban has to replace coordinators on a regular bases. Ir's called success. You know nothing about big time football.
Can you fricking read, you dumb shite? You totally missed the point of the post.
I was about to go really slow and explain it to you in words of one syllable, but I see someone beat me to it.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
He may have been, but only because he fired the OC. His mark was made as recruiting coordinator; not as an offensive mind.
The credit for Clemson's high powered O goes to Chad Morris who designed the O they have now.
Dabo never was OC under any big name coaches, he never has been an offensive mind or as an offensive guru.
The credit for Clemson's high powered O goes to Chad Morris who designed the O they have now.
Dabo never was OC under any big name coaches, he never has been an offensive mind or as an offensive guru.
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