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re: Will Evans get the ball tonight?

Posted on 6/1/25 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 2:52 pm to
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Why do you think this is dismissive


You are “dismissing” the idea of starting Noot because he’s only an opener as if they have other options that could reliably provide more than opener innings.

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What you are saying isn't profound or only specific to Casan Evans and Chase Shores lol.


It’s not unique to them, but not many relievers put up an ERA under 1.00 like Evans and not many pitchers with a 6+ ERA as a starter start pitching as well as Shores has out of the pen. We aren’t taking about an improvement from a 4.5 ERA as a starter to 2.5 as a reliever. It’s been more dramatic than that for both pitchers.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 2:54 pm to
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What Lester is saying actually makes more sense. Evans has shown he can give you length. The goal today is to win the game and be done but you also have to keep your pitching in an advantageous situation incase we have to play tomorrow.



Yea, i think the idea is to use as few pitchers as possible to win the game today. Not to mention Evans has been one of the big 4 all year, he is the best option to start the game and go into the 5th-6th.

So you are killing two birds here, you are throwing your best available starter, and you are in theory, saving arms for a game 2 should you needed. A wholestaff approach is for an elimination game in my opinon.
Posted by misey94
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 2:57 pm to
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Not to mention Evans has been one of the big 4 all year, he is the best option to start the game and go into the 5th-6th.


Evans’ best and most consistent work this season has been in a relief/closing role. There is a good argument to be made to use him there today with Noot and Shores pitching better and more consistently. Then you have the option of using him again tomorrow, if needed. If he starts, that would be very unlikely.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 2:59 pm to
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You are “dismissing” the idea of starting Noot because he’s only an opener as if they have other options that could reliably provide more than opener innings.



I am not dismissing the idea of Noot starting. Where have I said that or even alluded to that?

Whomever he starts will be part of a strategy, and with Noot he would get the start with the hope he gets you 4IP over 60 pitches or so.


If i were the coach, I'd start Evans with the best case scenario of him pitching into the 6th. I am not the coach, so it does not really matter what I think. These are both best case scenarios against what will likely be DBU, a vey formidable offense.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 3:19 pm to
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For me give it to Shores, he's starting to turn the corner


He's turning the corner because he's coming out of the pen. He's great for an inning or two, when he can just throw hard and not worry about eating up innings. With Noot, Shores, Cowan, Williams, etc, or bullpen is rested and ready. We can afford to start Evans.

Based on history, Jay is planning to start Evans, Noot, or Shores. Noot has not started a critical SEC game for us, yet. I think he'll go Evans tonight because that's who'll probably start game 3 of the super, should we advance...
Posted by Jest a game
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 3:58 pm to
Maybe late with our big lead
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:06 am to
What are we thinking about the idea to pitch Wholestaff when you had your 3rd & 4th best pitchers sitting there?
Posted by josh336
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:17 am to
Dont like it for the prospects of the supers should we have a 3rd game there, if either of these guys has to throw 100 pitches
Posted by Jojodaddy
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:28 am to
You called it Les. Wholestaff strategy was cute and blew up in their face. Now we’re on pins and needles needing big innings from two guys. Bats better be there tonight. Would love to see Jones dropped to 5th or 6th to give him some pressure relief.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:32 am to
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Will Evans get the ball tonight?


He should. He certainly showed that he is capable when he pitched 6 innings when he started against Tennessee and LSU run ruled them.
Posted by HvacGoon
Pineville, La
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 8:50 am to
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Evans, Shores Cowans then on to omaha.


Shores wouldn't see the mound for me again this year and I'd be happy with him getting the hell outta BR after the year.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:59 pm to
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And Evans is only good for 3-4 innings after throwing 80-90 pitches.



6ip
4h
1er
12k
109 pitches
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:41 pm to
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6ip 4h 1er 12k 109 pitches


He was much more efficient with his pitches than he was in his prior 2 starts, as he has been in relief for most of the season. This doesn’t prove he would be that efficient had he started the game. That’s always been the concern I have that he has a different mentality/approach in relief than when he starts. If they go to a Game 3 and he’s available, they probably have to start him for lack of another reliable option, but they may be forced to use him in relief in the first two games for the same reason.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:49 pm to
and you wanted to call me dismissive

jesus lol
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:56 pm to
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and you wanted to call me dismissive jesus lol


I’m not sure what you want me to say. From the very beginning I have expressed a belief that Evans is more effective in a relief role than starting. His being effective in a relief appearance does nothing to change that. The bigger issue now is the unreliability of Noot, Shores, and Cowan. A less effective Evans is clearly the better option if they can afford the luxury.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:13 pm to
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From the very beginning I have expressed a belief that Evans is more effective in a relief role than starting.


And you completely gloss over your comments about how long he can go and his pitch count

Starter vs reliever is semantics. It’s about pitch count & workload and effectiveness through the lineup multiple times.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 1:52 pm to
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And you completely gloss over your comments about how long he can go and his pitch count


My comments were that as a starter he has not been efficient with his pitch counts limiting the innings he provided. Being more efficient in a relief appearance doesn’t disprove that.

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Starter vs reliever is semantics. It’s about pitch count & workload and effectiveness through the lineup multiple times.


It’s not semantics when he hasn’t been as effective through the lineup or as efficient with pitch count as a starter. When you look at his performances since the start of conference play (maybe longer), 2 standout as being less efficient and effective. Both were as a starter.
This post was edited on 6/3/25 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 9:29 pm to
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It’s not semantics when he hasn’t been as effective through the lineup or as efficient with pitch count as a starter.



Id like you explain to me why it is different going through the lineup 3xs as a starter vs as a reliever

Give me something tangible and not this word vomit please
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 6/3/25 at 10:55 pm to
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Id like you explain to me why it is different going through the lineup 3xs as a starter vs as a reliever Give me something tangible and not this word vomit please


It’s not different if you do it as a starter or a reliever. The difference is in the actual efficiency and effectiveness for Evans in his relief appearances and starting appearances that goes well beyond just normal expectations. In all 3 of his starts, Evans had a game ERA > 2.50. His ERA was > 2.50 for the game in only 1 of 14 relief appearances (on March 11). All 4 relief appearances with 3+ IP were below 2.50, so it’s not just about fewer times through the lineup. He just performs better coming out of the pen than starting. He surrendered 7 ER and 24 baserunners in 13 IP as a starter. He’s given up 3 ER and 38 baserunners in 34.1 IP as a reliever. In 3+ inning appearances, he’s given up 2 ER and 18 baserunners in 17 IP in relief.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/4/25 at 8:18 am to
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It’s not different if you do it as a starter or a reliever.


So it’s not different but it is different, huh?


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The difference is in the actual efficiency and effectiveness


3 starts isn’t a sample size I’d ever use to make judgments on. Especially when one of 3 was spectacular & the fact the pitcher has had other extended outings that were very good.(remember, it doesn’t matter what the role is).

I can’t tell if you really do not understand this or if you just can’t admit you are wrong

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