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re: Will Ensminger be the OC next season?
Posted on 1/26/19 at 3:59 am to LSUstephen17
Posted on 1/26/19 at 3:59 am to LSUstephen17
I never looked at this thread because I thought the obvious answer to the question posed by the original poster was obvious. Yes, Ensminger will return as the offensive coordinator.
Once a simple question reached 30 pages, I knew what it had to be, and I was right: Some schoolgirl internet divas trying desperately to win a useless internet cat fight. Go home, girls.
Once a simple question reached 30 pages, I knew what it had to be, and I was right: Some schoolgirl internet divas trying desperately to win a useless internet cat fight. Go home, girls.
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Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:07 am to SEC Grapevine
Clemson is running an SEC-Talented program in the ACC:
Dabo took a Big 12 Offense brought in by Chad Morris who originated RPOs in a Tx HS. Then he added Venables from OU. Dabo knew what he wanted as a WR/WR Coach he wanted to have '11 personnel' when he had a great TE, or '10': 4 WRs, RB, and he wanted exceptional talent at QB: from Tajh Boyd, Watson, Bryant, to Lawrence, who is a very fast runner. He caught and past Etienne on a 75 yd TD run vs Pitt. They were both going 21 mph.
So Dabo has SEC Off/Def Lines, Very Fast WRs, a league-leading Heisman-candidate RB, & a 6-6 QB with a missle launcher for an arm who throws so fast the Def cannot touch him. That is the total package of modern football - league leading RPOs, spread, HUNH. When Lawrence throws a 40-50yd pass it leaves his hand before the WR is half way to the catch zone. He uses jet sweeps, pre-snap motions to diagnose the Defense and find a 1 on 1 matchup and he can hand off or throw or run: lots of options.
What makes Swinney different from Saban: He is easy going and he is not high pressure national-title-or-bust, just the opposite of the pressure cooker at ALA. Consequently he has had Venables and most of his Staff around for 6 yrs. They like working for him. no one likes working for Saban, some endure it. Plus his AD, Dan Radakovich was Sr Assoc. AD at LSU (2001-06) with Emmert until he left in 2004.
Success is self-perpetuating. You win 2 out of 4 NCs and destroy ALA, recruits cannot help but notice.
To clarify in response to your comment that this is an 'over simplification, anyone can go 5 wide', I am not talking about Mike Leach's extreme fringe TT Air Raid (although he does it well and may be in the SEC next year), however Kliff Kingsbury did get the NFL HC Job at AZ Cards based on what he did with Mahomes and how Mahomes did with the Chiefs. That hire and others this year are in response to what Clemson, Ohio St, OU, & ALA are doing, dominating CFB. The NFL is full of "Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Goff, Watson, Newton types with more to come like Haskins, McSorley, and Murray". The NFL needs Offensive Coaches to speed up the game, take care of the QBs with simplified Schemes, Score Points, and chase the Rams, Chiefs, Texans, etc. Scoring is at an all-time high.
Mahomes got Brady's personal congrats after the game. That game was decided by a coin flip. If you win the flip in OT and score a TD you win the Game.
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Patrick Mahomes had some stigma smashing to do when he entered the NFL. The former Texas Tech quarterback put up unreal numbers in college, but was only the tenth player chosen in the 2017 draft because previous Air Raid passers didn’t work out in the pros. Mahomes answered all the doubters this year, leading the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game in a campaign that should nab him the league’s MVP award.
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The Arizona Cardinals had the worst offense in the NFL in 2018 like the Rams did last yr before hiring McVay. The plan is for new head coach Kliff Kingsbury to fix that. Josh Rosen was one of the worst statistical quarterbacks in the league as a rookie, like Goff was before McVay. Kingsbury is supposed to fix that, too. Star cornerback Patrick Peterson believes that will happen. He anticipates great offensive success for Rosen and the Cardinals in 2019. “It was a great hire with Kliff Kingsbury,” he said while participating in Pro Bowl activities via the Cardinals’ Twitter account. “I think he’s going to bring a lot of excitement to the offensive side of the ball. I think he’s definitely going to be able to get Josh slinging the ball all over the field.” Peterson believes Rosen and Kingsbury will team up to be a “dynamic duo” and that running back David Johnson should figure prominently into the offense.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 3:50 am
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:09 am to SEC Grapevine
I agree that O should have tried the short passing/screen game more than he did. He said he couldn’t play 4 WR because he had to leave guys in to block. That makes no sense to me. 4 WR sets are made for bad o-lines. You get the ball out of your hand immediately. I can’t believe we didn’t run the short slant more often with the 2 huge mismatch WR we have in Sullivan and Dee Anderson. Both of those guys are so big and strong they should be almost ungaurdable when running quick timing routes where they can box their defender out. Burrow has to get a 3 second click in his head and then know to get rid of the ball. The line was poor but he also caused many sacks just by holding the ball way too long.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:24 am to LSU_30A
Well Trevor Lawrence averages 2.16 secs to throw and he was not sacked. However, he would have been 1 -2 tenths later. As long as Burrow is taking a snap in play-action and setting his feet he is going to be tackled. In addition there were three recent analysis done by ex-LSU players diagnosing the O-Line blocking scheme was stopping no one. They were blocking air. Quick release and short routes open up longer ones. The Max Protect is proven to take away options and draw more people to the LOS.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:26 am to SEC Grapevine
Make the comparison between LSU, to ALA, to Clemson. We futilely try to match up in the trenches and limit pace and space options by taking a RB & TE out of the Offense and use them in Max Protect. The result is Phone Booth football which has plagued LSU QBs for over a decade. The NFL is adopting Pace and Space Spread Offensive Schemes from HS & College, not what you find at LSU.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:30 am to SEC Grapevine
The 2018 Offense was worse than 2015
boxcaar willie:
2017 with the loss to Troy was the only one we did not break into the Top 10 during the season at one point.
Really difficult to look up.
2011: 2 1 loss
2012: 14 3 losses
2013: 14 3 losses
2014: RV 5 losses
2015: 16 3 losses
2016: 13 4 losses
2017: 18 4 losses
2018: 6 3 losses
The Benchmark for Miles was he had to be "Competing for Championships" not "In the Hunt"....5-3 was seen as 'the decline is real'. Now finishing 5-3, lower in Off Scoring, and suffering a 29-0 beatdown, the worst home defeat in 44 yrs for a Top 5 team against the Gatekeeper of the SECW is Exceeding Expectations, 'We're Comin" and "Participation Trophy Time".
7th place finish in Off in SEC
0 pts vs Ala in last 2 home games with O&E
0-6 vs Saban, Mullen, Fisher
Same 5-3 SEC record as 2015 which was 6th in SEC vs tougher SOS and tougher SEC
Now where is the trend line going vs ALA?
boxcaar willie:
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it was an improvement over miles final 4 seasons, 2012. 2013, 2014, and 2015 as we never even broke into the top 10 in any of those seasons.
2017 with the loss to Troy was the only one we did not break into the Top 10 during the season at one point.
Really difficult to look up.
2011: 2 1 loss
2012: 14 3 losses
2013: 14 3 losses
2014: RV 5 losses
2015: 16 3 losses
2016: 13 4 losses
2017: 18 4 losses
2018: 6 3 losses
The Benchmark for Miles was he had to be "Competing for Championships" not "In the Hunt"....5-3 was seen as 'the decline is real'. Now finishing 5-3, lower in Off Scoring, and suffering a 29-0 beatdown, the worst home defeat in 44 yrs for a Top 5 team against the Gatekeeper of the SECW is Exceeding Expectations, 'We're Comin" and "Participation Trophy Time".
7th place finish in Off in SEC
0 pts vs Ala in last 2 home games with O&E
0-6 vs Saban, Mullen, Fisher
Same 5-3 SEC record as 2015 which was 6th in SEC vs tougher SOS and tougher SEC
Now where is the trend line going vs ALA?
Posted on 1/26/19 at 7:03 am to LSU_30A
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Slinger did a good job with what he had to work with this season.
Ugh.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 9:46 am to Jack Crevalle
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Cameron's NFL Offense was too complicated and it took too long to implement & run plays. It got him fired in Baltimore. He should have never been hired here. He was a terrible QB Coach, out-of-date, and had a temper.
agree on this, but Cam was never going to be allowed to open up the offense PERIOD.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 10:02 am to LSU_30A
“ i’m fine with Ensminger being the OC”
LSU produced the 10th best offense in the SEC and couldn’t score a point against Bama at home. I don’t know how anyone could be fine with that, but each to our own.
If the guy had some kind of history of producing good offenses, I could understand optimism. The problem is, three years after firing Cam we have yet to have an O better than what he produced in 2015.
Hopefully, that will come this season, but after pretty much a decade waiting for a highly productive SEC offense, I’m going to believe it when I see it.
LSU produced the 10th best offense in the SEC and couldn’t score a point against Bama at home. I don’t know how anyone could be fine with that, but each to our own.
If the guy had some kind of history of producing good offenses, I could understand optimism. The problem is, three years after firing Cam we have yet to have an O better than what he produced in 2015.
Hopefully, that will come this season, but after pretty much a decade waiting for a highly productive SEC offense, I’m going to believe it when I see it.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 10:20 am to LSUstephen17
In short, yes.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 11:21 am to Lonnie4LSU
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If the guy had some kind of history of producing good offenses
Posted on 1/26/19 at 12:37 pm to LSUstephen17
So what other OC could have come into LSU without knowing anyone, a brand spanking new QB, 2 previous OL starters, average RBs who never started, 2 freshman WRs, a ton of 2nd year WRs, 1 TE and would have lit all these unknown SEC defense's up in 2018? Please answer that with some sense!
Not to mention how many injuries we had on the OL this year or suspensions we had to some key starters. Injuries on defense, all the first year starters on defense providing depth, 2nd year starters on defense and Chassion hurt all year after the first game.
Given all these circumstances, I think this staff did a tremendous job going 10-3 and really should have been 11-2. Without all these injuries and misfortune LSU is 12-1 in 2018 still without a high flying offense but would have probably posted better stats. Some people's expectations are just insane. These coaches did a great job this year keeping this team motivated and focused. Most teams lose one key player and they fall apart. If LSU doesn't improve next year then we can say ok it's time to move on from who ever it is holding us back but I'm not so sure you can blame any of these coaches at this point.
Not to mention how many injuries we had on the OL this year or suspensions we had to some key starters. Injuries on defense, all the first year starters on defense providing depth, 2nd year starters on defense and Chassion hurt all year after the first game.
Given all these circumstances, I think this staff did a tremendous job going 10-3 and really should have been 11-2. Without all these injuries and misfortune LSU is 12-1 in 2018 still without a high flying offense but would have probably posted better stats. Some people's expectations are just insane. These coaches did a great job this year keeping this team motivated and focused. Most teams lose one key player and they fall apart. If LSU doesn't improve next year then we can say ok it's time to move on from who ever it is holding us back but I'm not so sure you can blame any of these coaches at this point.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 1:42 pm to LSUstephen17
I was told about a month or so back that the goal was to find a younger, up and coming guy to bring in and replace Sullivan, have him in position for the next year and get familiar with the players and SE and then he would slide into position as the OC. Brady seems to be that guy.
This post was edited on 1/26/19 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 1/26/19 at 1:49 pm to SEC Grapevine
Really comprehensive post as usual, Grapevine.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:06 pm to Goldrush25
No one provides as much backed up info as Grapevine. Whether people agree or disagree, the guy backs up his claims.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:09 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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three years after firing Cam we have yet to have an O better than what he produced in 2015.
Well we had three future NFL backs and a bad passing game. Had Cam been able to develop a QB, both he and Miles would still be here.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Had Cam been able to develop a QB, both he and Miles would still be here.
Nailed it, Roger. A lot of people claim they couldn't recruit highly talented QBs, but the problem was development as you pointed out.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:22 pm to TigerLunatik
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A lot of people claim they couldn't recruit highly talented QBs,
Yep AJ was elite 11 and Brandon was recruited by Urban. Both appeared to actually get worse under Cam. I think if Miles had even changed OCs after 2015 he may could have saved his job.
We will know pretty quickly if O and E are on that same trajectory.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:32 pm to rbdallas
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but Cam was never going to be allowed to open up the offense PERIOD.
Know History - Or Repeat It:
Allowed had nothing to do with it. It was the same Off he was fired for in the NFL - an LSU Off.
He got fired at Baltimore because Flacco wanted to go spread, HUNH and Cam was Max Protect.
Cam was running 2 WRs into double coverage on long slow developing routes leading to QB sacks/INTs. Nothing across the middle where new NFL rule changes now protect WRs/TEs.
The reason Cameron was fired was because he wasn't using the team's weapons to their strengths. The receivers in particular excelled in stack and bunch sets because they weren't quick enough to consistently beat press-man coverage. They also were running far too many isolated routes, which meant they were asked to beat man coverage one-on-one.
Caldwell replaced him and had 3 days to change the Offense to HUNH Spread.
Results: 1,140 yards, 11 touchdowns, zero interceptions and a passer rating of 117.2—each figure representing the best of this postseason. In fact, no quarterback was within 300 yards, five touchdowns or 12 rating points of Flacco's final postseason numbers. Plus 90 million contract.
LSU Offense is now no different and no better than it was under Cameron.
The QB is only as good as the Offensive Scheme/OC.
Posted on 1/26/19 at 4:31 pm to BayouBengal99
The Coaches Need Excuses, Incessant Praise, Time, Next Year...Blame the Programs Shortcomings On Player Talent, Give them all Raises for having to Cope with this Mess Miles left behind 4 yrs ago:
How Sean McVay Went From Last to First in Scoring - On and Off The Field
The Rams and Sean McVay only need One Personnel Grouping To Destroy You
Why It is Easier Than Ever Before To Play QB
Using your list of excuses UCF should have taken a Mulligan because their starting QB was out. Clemson should have lost to Syracuse and missed the CFP because Lawrence was hurt. But they adapted and Etienne ran for 3 or 4 TDs. And the 3rd string QB converted a 3rd down. You adapt.
Really nice list of Excuses: So let's blame the Players for being Bad and excuse the Coaches?
Scheme is the responsibility of Coaching, the players are not responsible.
Complexity is the enemy of implementation - simplify:
Time needed to implement change - Jim Caldwell changed the Off in 3 days. Bear Bryant did it in a week. Sometimes Coaches make Halftime Adjustments in Scheme...like every game. Saban flipped QBs at halftime/3rd Qtr 2 yrs in row.
Every team, every year - starts over with new personnel. Fits Scheme to personnel, injuries, etc. The slower and less spread you are the more injuries a team experiences.
How did Jimbo, Mullen, Herman and their new Staffs do?
Jimbo did not have enough LBs so he put some RBs on Def. Took people from Off and put them on Def Line, etc. "You play the game with who you have, not who you are waiting to recruit and develop.
In every major game Fisher had key Defensive Players ejected for targeting. He never mentioned it as an excuse or appealed to the SEC for an exemption because a really important game was coming up. WE DID.
I really like Fisher, Dabo, Herman, Saban, Meyer, Riley, Mullen, Malzahn - I like football and good Coaching/Scheme. It is painful to watch LSU Offense struggle. Lonnie4LSU just wants to see one good year before he gets too old to care. Same here.
It is a Copycat League - You see what works & Implement it
The common denominators for winning the CFPNC are in Scheme: How You Play The Game. If you have O-Line and Pass Protection problems, like everyone at all levels from HS to NFL, you need to change your Scheme, spread things out, develop a short passing - quick release game, and copy what works. It is a Space and Pace Game, Scoring Pts, not TOP, Ball Control.
Fix the Offense and be competitive. The program does not need to tread water another year and expect change to occur without a bona fide change agent with a modern Offensive Scheme.
Hire the equivalent of Aranda in a Co/OC/QB Coach
Copy Clemson and the Rams Scheme: Using the same personnel packages and space and pace, jet sweeps & pre-snap motions, WR routes, RPOs and a simplified scheme based on creating 1-on-1 matchups makes playing QB easier, turning avg into great, and great into phenomenal.
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So what other OC could have come into LSU without knowing anyone, a brand spanking new QB, 2 previous OL starters, average RBs who never started, 2 freshman WRs, a ton of 2nd year WRs, 1 TE and would have lit all these unknown SEC defense's up in 2018? Please answer that with some sense!
Not to mention how many injuries we had on the OL this year or suspensions we had to some key starters. Injuries on defense, all the first year starters on defense providing depth, 2nd year starters on defense and Chassion hurt all year after the first game.
Given all these circumstances, I think this staff did a tremendous job going 10-3 and really should have been 11-2. Without all these injuries and misfortune LSU is 12-1 in 2018 still without a high flying offense but would have probably posted better stats. Some people's expectations are just insane. These coaches did a great job this year keeping this team motivated and focused. Most teams lose one key player and they fall apart. If LSU doesn't improve next year then we can say ok it's time to move on from who ever it is holding us back but I'm not so sure you can blame any of these coaches at this point.
How Sean McVay Went From Last to First in Scoring - On and Off The Field
The Rams and Sean McVay only need One Personnel Grouping To Destroy You
Why It is Easier Than Ever Before To Play QB
Using your list of excuses UCF should have taken a Mulligan because their starting QB was out. Clemson should have lost to Syracuse and missed the CFP because Lawrence was hurt. But they adapted and Etienne ran for 3 or 4 TDs. And the 3rd string QB converted a 3rd down. You adapt.
Really nice list of Excuses: So let's blame the Players for being Bad and excuse the Coaches?
Scheme is the responsibility of Coaching, the players are not responsible.
Complexity is the enemy of implementation - simplify:
Time needed to implement change - Jim Caldwell changed the Off in 3 days. Bear Bryant did it in a week. Sometimes Coaches make Halftime Adjustments in Scheme...like every game. Saban flipped QBs at halftime/3rd Qtr 2 yrs in row.
Every team, every year - starts over with new personnel. Fits Scheme to personnel, injuries, etc. The slower and less spread you are the more injuries a team experiences.
How did Jimbo, Mullen, Herman and their new Staffs do?
Jimbo did not have enough LBs so he put some RBs on Def. Took people from Off and put them on Def Line, etc. "You play the game with who you have, not who you are waiting to recruit and develop.
In every major game Fisher had key Defensive Players ejected for targeting. He never mentioned it as an excuse or appealed to the SEC for an exemption because a really important game was coming up. WE DID.
I really like Fisher, Dabo, Herman, Saban, Meyer, Riley, Mullen, Malzahn - I like football and good Coaching/Scheme. It is painful to watch LSU Offense struggle. Lonnie4LSU just wants to see one good year before he gets too old to care. Same here.
It is a Copycat League - You see what works & Implement it
The common denominators for winning the CFPNC are in Scheme: How You Play The Game. If you have O-Line and Pass Protection problems, like everyone at all levels from HS to NFL, you need to change your Scheme, spread things out, develop a short passing - quick release game, and copy what works. It is a Space and Pace Game, Scoring Pts, not TOP, Ball Control.
Fix the Offense and be competitive. The program does not need to tread water another year and expect change to occur without a bona fide change agent with a modern Offensive Scheme.
Hire the equivalent of Aranda in a Co/OC/QB Coach
Copy Clemson and the Rams Scheme: Using the same personnel packages and space and pace, jet sweeps & pre-snap motions, WR routes, RPOs and a simplified scheme based on creating 1-on-1 matchups makes playing QB easier, turning avg into great, and great into phenomenal.
This post was edited on 1/27/19 at 4:15 am
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