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re: Why Will Line Be Improved?

Posted on 7/30/10 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by crazycarl
Member since Jun 2010
27 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 4:24 pm to
How would you feel if you were a LDE taking on a double team from Hurst and Williford
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16434 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 4:24 pm to
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Find me the quote/video of him saying this


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Coming into the year, Coach Les Miles made comments that this year’s offensive line may be the best that he’s had since he’s been at LSU.


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LSU coach Les Miles recently told The Rotary Club of Baton Rouge that the 2009 offensive line will be the best blocking unit since he's been in LSU.
This post was edited on 7/30/10 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94672 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 6:01 pm to
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I always hear everyone saying that our line play will be improved. Why do people believe the line will be better?


Alex Hurst starting is the biggest step in the right direction. He, Blackwell and Lonergan should be better than the inside line we played last year. I like Barksdale at LT, but I'm not 100% at either tackle right now. The tackle play in 2009 was underwhelming as well, but I think they both had injuries and there was little faith in the backups.

Depth across the line looks much better on paper. Depending on T-Bob's recovery, we will have three guys who can play C, 4 decent Guards (though I am counting Blackwell at each spot), with depth at Tackle a concern, but less of one than in 2009.

ETA - I have been assuming that Dworaczyk is starting at RT and Hurst will play LG. Some depth charts have them reversed, and if so, I'm fine with the starting 5.
This post was edited on 7/30/10 at 6:06 pm
Posted by NDA13112
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
1357 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 6:51 pm to
Because it can't be worse?
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 7:23 pm to
While people may have already stated this, you have to think that a few things will lead to improvement on the line:

1) Black was playing injured, and he was injured pretty badly. So much so, he went from a pre-season 1st round draft pick to basically out of football in a single year.

T-Bob was less than a year removed from tearing his ACL in the opener. Those injuries don't heal that fast to get you back to 100%. Hitt was also hurt, but Miles likely kept him in because of seniority. Hitt was pretty good in 2007-2008, but needed a good/leader at center to fluorish IMO.

2) Leadership at the center position. T-Bob just didn't have it. The center has to basically make all the calls at the line, and it was obvious that T-Bob had no idea what to do 50%+ of the time. He would get turned around in a second and the whole line looked confused. With more experience and perhaps Lonegran getting more time in the offense, it will improve.

3) Size. The line was very undersized, especially on the right side. It made things harder and with JJ's indecisiveness, even tougher than that. The line is bigger all the way across for this upcoming season.

4) Coaching. It was noted by several insiders that the coaching by Studs at practice for technique was horrible. Obviously, he coasted on his duties last year and sadly didn't take Porter's offer to go to Memphis. I really wish he had. LSU would be much better off. Wilkerson being a former All-American type OL and particularly C working as a grad assistant will help get these guys going.

This line might not be much better than last season, but they will definitely be better. PERIOD.

Posted by HK53
Oneonta, Al.
Member since Feb 2010
393 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 8:03 pm to
Hope springs eternal but with Less and Stud, it's only hope
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20033 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 8:06 pm to
Our OL play in '09 was as poor as I can ever remember so "improvement" will be easy to come by. Whether we will be able to impose our will against a top flight D is TBD.

Josh D ought to be at tackle, not G. Conversely, Barksdale ought to be at G, not tackle. Barksdale was average at best at RT in '09. Not sure what the thinking is in moving him to LT.

IMO, the bright side is the right side, i.e., Blackwell and Hurst. Really looking forward to seeing them play. Also, gotta believe Lonergan will be an upgrade over T-Bob at C.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 8:25 pm to
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Our OL play in '09 was as poor as I can ever remember so "improvement" will be easy to come by. Whether we will be able to impose our will against a top flight D is TBD.

Josh D ought to be at tackle, not G. Conversely, Barksdale ought to be at G, not tackle. Barksdale was average at best at RT in '09. Not sure what the thinking is in moving him to LT.

IMO, the bright side is the right side, i.e., Blackwell and Hurst. Really looking forward to seeing them play. Also, gotta believe Lonergan will be an upgrade over T-Bob at C.


Good analysis.

Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26253 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 8:51 pm to
Why? All the dead weight graduated. It is as simple as that.
Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
13158 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 10:38 pm to
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It never will. Underclassmen have never turned out to be better than upperclassmen. So therefor its not possible to improve. We will continue to get weaker and weaker every season at the O-line position until its that of a JV Football teams talent.


That is the most ridiculous logic I have read on TD in over one hour.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 10:43 pm to
It'd be really hard to be much worse, wouldn't it?
Posted by diehardfan
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
5333 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 10:45 pm to
This is true.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 11:02 pm to
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The guys that played last yr were not very good, and the ones that are going to play this yr were not good enough to beat out last year's guys.

Wait ... does this fit in with the meme that Miles always plays upperclassmen regardless of who is the best player?
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 7/30/10 at 11:04 pm to
None of these are quotes are they?

He said "potentially". I know that is a hard concept to understand but it's a key. Russell Shepard could "potentially" be a superstar. If he doesn't pan out, it's not a lie to say this right now. Miles thought the group looked good back in the spring. Injuries and failure to live up to the potential proved his view misplaced.

I posted his actual quote yesterday. I'm taking a crap reading this on blackberry. You ruined a perfectly good crap by posting the anti-Miles ranter lie of 2009.

Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 9:12 am to
The first game will tell it all about this season. Lets hope the tigers are ready.
Posted by cepheid
kenner, la
Member since Feb 2007
1638 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 10:22 am to
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I always hear everyone saying that our line play will be improved. Why do people believe the line will be better?


because we will have much bigger stronger better players on the line this season and also have a lot more quality depth than last season.
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5566 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 10:59 am to
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did Miles not say that last year's line would be his best at LSU and it did prove to be his worst.
I'm pretty sure he said they were his quickest line and had A CHANCE to be his best based on the blocking scheme they were going to use to take advantage of their quickness. This, however, turned out to be false as teams tended to just bull rush our interior OL and knock them into the backfield limiting their ability to reach block or pull.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:17 am to
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Barksdale, Dwor, Lonergan, Blackwell, and Hurst equal better imo.

Shaw,Williford,Branch, Hebert and Faulk are decent back-ups. Have to believe having big Ben around will help in the teaching process also.
Posted by mmtiger
South Louisiana
Member since Jan 2005
2993 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:24 am to
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Blackwell is much bigger than Hitt, and should be more effective.


this.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26253 posts
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:33 am to
What I fail to understand is why Les Miles gets so much crap over the statement. Lets see you have an obviously subpar line. What would a good commander do. Tell the enemy they suck are say they are good. Get everyone believing they are very good! The kids think they are good and try to live up to it. Defenses don't take advantage of an advantage they have. Football has a lot to do with heart and perception. What the frick did you want Les Miles to say?
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