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Posted on 11/30/09 at 2:54 pm to alajones
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1-2 vs Saban
1-3 vs. Meyer
What was the main difference in the LSU teams that beat Saban and Meyer and the ones that lost?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 2:54 pm to YellowShoe
quote:That is a stretch...Florida was not in shambles when Zook left...he led them to 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5. Urban inherited a gold mine just like Miles...
Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:00 pm to Krypto
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Did the players make the change in the DC situation last year?
No but the players did not make Maleveto the defensive coordinaters either. The rumors were that he got a little encouragement to make a change.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:02 pm to Chicken
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That is a stretch...Florida was not in shambles when Zook left...he led them to 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5. Urban inherited a gold mine just like Miles...
None of the big SEC schools have been in "shambles" during their latest coaching turnovers.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:05 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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they are both equally bad, one just speaks better.
So,now Richt and Miles are "bad coaches" ? They may not be as good as Meyer or Saban,but in no form or fashion are Richt and Miles "bad coaches".
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:07 pm to Chicken
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Florida was not in shambles when Zook left...he led them to 8-5, 8-5, and 7-5.
At LSU we don't seem to think that 3 losses is OK. Florida was a program that dominated SEC in the 90s.
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Urban inherited a gold mine just like Miles...
recruits .. yes. But he followed a coach that was let go because he was not performing up to par. Miles followed a coach who choose to leave the program after winning an NC for a higher calling.
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That is a stretch...
comparing Zook and Saban!
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:22 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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No, he really isn't, they're both mediocre when given no built in advantages.
whatever helps you sleep at night. Their records and hardware say otherwise.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:26 pm to Choctaw
He is most certainly not on the hot seat.
How many coaches in the best conf in the country with 9 wins using a QB with 2 previous starts is on the hot seat.
Wait for it? NONE
How many bowl games has he lost?
How many coaches in the best conf in the country with 9 wins using a QB with 2 previous starts is on the hot seat.
Wait for it? NONE
How many bowl games has he lost?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:26 pm to YellowShoe
Do people know what the hot seat is? Les is only on the hot seat if LSU goes 8-4 next season.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:30 pm to The Boat
Hey retard in ATL
what's miles bowl record and how many losing seasons has he had
what's miles bowl record and how many losing seasons has he had
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:34 pm to rtgr
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You got it wrong sonnyboy. For anyone to state that a coach is on the hot seat with Miles record and accomplishments shows THAT person not only "don't know much about football" it shows that they know NOTHING about football.
Perhaps then you can explain why Miles didn't get the one year rollover last year even though he had 8 wins and probably will not get one this year unless there are some contract changes.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:37 pm to The Boat
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Do people know what the hot seat is?
When you are being roasted you are on a hot seat. Last week Miles was raked over the coals. Some commentators mentioned that 'Miles may not survive this'. What were 90% of the threads about last week. - about letting Miles go.
Also an electric chair is a hot seat. If you asking uncomfortable questions you are on hot seat. If you are contestant on 'Who wants to be a Millionaire' you are on hot seat.
Don't get stuck on a work/phrase. Has Miles been taking heat from this fan base from Day one - just because he replaced Saban (who left voluntarily) and that he's not articulate?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 3:37 pm to BTigerFan
you'll see how good he is when he winds up at mich and we go back to being miss states bitch
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:00 pm to alajones
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You really want to argue whether or not Miles is a better coach than Saban or Meyer?
I didn't say anything bout who is the better coach, I said in our game at Bama I didn't see anything that leads me to believe we can't compete with them and you haven't presented anything here.
Damn, it's not like Miles/LSU has never bested these guys. Take a deep breath...any coach who can lose to ULM, can lose to LSU.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:09 pm to YellowShoe
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Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program
Saban took over a successful Bama program, just not as sucessful as some would want.
Spurrier took over after the best five year run in SC history.
Kiffin took over a winning program with tons of talent and recent apperances in SEC championships in 01, 04 and 07...hardly doormat
Chizik replaced Tubbs, who had a Auburn as a top 15 team for the better part of a decade.
Petrino replaced a winning coach in Nutt.
Donnan was 40 and 19 before Richt came along, not too damn shabby. In fact, highly successful.
So basically your argument is down to the real cellar dwellers in Mullen, Brooks, and Johnson.
Basically, your argument is just not close to correct.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:37 pm to tigerfoot
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Saban took over a successful Bama program, just not as sucessful as some would want.
Bama fired a coach and the new coach has some leeway.
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Spurrier took over after the best five year run in SC history.
Lou Holtz was 33-37 in 6 years. 5-7, 5-7, and 6-6 last 3 years. tenure includes 0-11.
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Kiffin took over a winning program with tons of talent and recent apperances in SEC championships in 01, 04 and 07...hardly doormat
Again .. the coach was let go. New coach has freedom to freelance.
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Chizik replaced Tubbs, who had a Auburn as a top 15 team for the better part of a decade.
Tubbs was almost replaced in 2004. He was let go. New coach was not expected to win SEC in 2 years!
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Petrino replaced a winning coach in Nutt.
Nutt tool Arkansas to SEC championship in 2006. Nutt bailed in 2007 when he saw the writing on the wall. Program was decimated with players leaving, parents involved in demands. Also rumored to be an irritant in their legend Frank Boyles retirement.
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Donnan was 40 and 19 before Richt came along, not too damn shabby. In fact, highly successful.
Georgia did not win an SEC championship between 1982 and 2002 (Richt)
Not sure if you are saying that Les' inherited a program similar to all of these coaches .. or that Les should get a pass when he goes 9-3 .. or you are arguing just for the sake of it.
Les has taken heat from Day 1. He was not as good as Saban, not as well spoken .. not .... Now with Saban at Bama, and his success there, focus is even more intense. None of those coaches inherited anywhere near this type of scrutiny.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:38 pm to YellowShoe
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When you are being roasted you are on a hot seat. Last week Miles was raked over the coals. Some commentators mentioned that 'Miles may not survive this'. What were 90% of the threads about last week. - about letting Miles go.
Thanks for clearing all this up. So, apparently, a bunch of rantards on a message board can decide when a coach is on the hot seat, no matter how detached from reality that is.
Every coach, at some point, comes under scrutiny, but that is NOT the same as being on the hot seat. Coaches on the hot seat are in actual danger of losing their job. Les Miles has a ZERO chance of losing his job this year.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:45 pm to Choctaw
quote:LSU had a better team? Both Florida and Bama had so-so records that year. When they are on their game, they beat us.
What was the main difference in the LSU team (fixed it for you) that beat Saban and Meyer and the ones that lost?
This post was edited on 11/30/09 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 11/30/09 at 4:48 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Well, my statement was that Saban and Meyer are better coaches than Miles, and I don't think I have to present anything to back that up.
I didn't say anything bout who is the better coach, I said in our game at Bama I didn't see anything that leads me to believe we can't compete with them and you haven't presented anything here.
Can we win a few here and there? Sure. Will Miles have a winning record vs. Saban and Meyer when all their tenures are up? I doubt it.
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