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re: Why is Media So Insistent That USC Won 2003 Championship
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:30 pm to JCPegasus
Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:30 pm to JCPegasus
quote:It was literally called a championship game because of the coaches poll being obligated to vote the winner #1. Some of us understand that, and some of you do not.
We will never agree because “champion” means something different to both of us.
For some of you - polls, votes and trophy names
For some of us - winners of championship games
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 8:49 pm to MOT
Now you’re getting closer. Glad you could acknowledge that LSU played in the Championship game. Now you just need to say the name of the game that USC played in… the Rose Bowl
Posted on 8/3/23 at 9:24 pm to JCPegasus
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Now you’re getting closer. Glad you could acknowledge that LSU played in the Championship game. Now you just need to say the name of the game that USC played in… the Rose Bowl
Have you heard of the Bowl Alliance? It also called its matchup a championship game and awarded a trophy to its champion. Do you believe that made the champion THE national champions even though the Big 10 and PAC-10 were not included?
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/3/23 at 10:16 pm to JCPegasus
quote:I mean, you’re just digging yourself a deeper hole here and quite frankly you make the entire fan base look stupid. It was a championship game only because the winner would be voted #1 in the coaches poll by rule. Therefore they could give the coaches trophy, also known as “muh BCS trophy” to people like you, on the field immediately after the game as opposed to in the days after the game like they had from 1986-1997 and like they’ve done from 2014-present.
Now you’re getting closer. Glad you could acknowledge that LSU played in the Championship game.
ETA: And it was still technically the Sugar Bowl, which was the “BCS Championship”, aka coaches poll title, site for that year.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 6:39 am to MOT
National Champs:
Rose Bowl Champs:
USC 1 time champs:
Rose Bowl Champs:
USC 1 time champs:
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:19 am to JCPegasus
LSU won the sugar bowl, which also got them the coaches trophy.
USC won the rose bowl, which also got them the Associated Press trophy.
Not sure why you’re having such a hard time understanding this.
In your photo collage, all but 1 team were named BOTH the coaches champion and the the AP champion. The one that wasn’t was 2003.
USC won the rose bowl, which also got them the Associated Press trophy.
Not sure why you’re having such a hard time understanding this.
In your photo collage, all but 1 team were named BOTH the coaches champion and the the AP champion. The one that wasn’t was 2003.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:22 am to Scientific73
Because they are liberal, and USC is in California. 
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:53 am to JCPegasus
quote:Fyi pictured here are the Sugar Bowl trophy and the coaches poll trophy.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 7:58 am to MOT
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Fyi pictured here are the Sugar Bowl trophy and the coaches poll trophy.
And the National Champs
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:43 am to GeauxTigers1410
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Go ask Baylor and TCU in 2014 what happens if everyone has a post season game but you.
Even if they had a CCG there would have still been 4 teams with identical records (Florida St was unbeaten) vying for 3 spots someone was getting left out,
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:47 am to SmoothBox
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Not sure why you’re having such a hard time understanding this.
Understand this. frick USC.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:58 am to JCPegasus
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Now you’re getting closer. Glad you could acknowledge that LSU played in the Championship game. Now you just need to say the name of the game that USC played in… the Rose Bowl
And the game LSU and OU played was called the Sugar Bowl it was designated the BCS Championship and the winner was named and awarded the BCS Championship trophy because of a previous agreement by the Coaches poll.
It’s amazing and a little sad this seems to bother you so much. You are trying to treat it like all other sports and it wasn’t. Every other sport has a multi round post season tournament that results in 2 teams playing in a final game or series. College football never did that, the NCAA itself never named a champion like it does in other sports. The AP starting in 1936 and the UPI (now coaches poll) in 1950. That was how the “national champion” was crowned. It wasn’t until the mid 60s for the AP and mid 70s for the coaches that they named the champ after the bowls. The BCS was a compromise to preserve the bowls. It was designed for years like 2002, with only 2 undefeated teams that before the BCS would have been in other bowls.
In the history of college football there are many split champions. It’s really no big deal.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:04 am to H-Town Tiger
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amazing and a little sad this seems to bother you so much
Doesn’t bother me…
National Champs:
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:50 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:07 pm to Mr Gardocki
You don’t know what you are talking about, but that’s not surprising considering the meme you used to put your ignorance on display. Even a little bit of digging on your part would show you that you are wrong. The crystal football was the AFCA Coaches’ Poll trophy that they had presented since 1986 (12 years before the BCS) and continue to give out to their champion even with the CFP. It was NOT created for the BCS.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 7:26 pm to Scientific73
quote:
cientific73
Why is Media So Insistent That USC Won 2003 Championship
Easy, the only award the media has total control of is the AP {associated press} poll, they voted USC because the market share is huge in LA
The writers were left out of the polling process and voted opposite of the true champion
Posted on 8/7/23 at 8:09 pm to LCTFAN
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they voted USC because the market share is huge in LA The writers were left out of the polling process and voted opposite of the true champion
Why, then, did they not do the same in 2007 when USC finished with 2 losses just like LSU? Why did they put LSU #3 and USC #4 in 2006 when both finished 11-2? Why not vote 12-1 USC #1 in 2008 ahead of Florida?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:14 am to MikeTheTiger71
bahahahahaha
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:25 am to MikeTheTiger71
quote:
MikeTheTiger71
quote:
Why, then, did they not do the same in 2007 when USC finished with 2 losses just like LSU?
see below, the conferences signed a contract to recognize the winner of the top two teams as national champion.
The American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) was contractually bound to vote the winner of this game as the BCS National Champion and the contract signed by each conference required them to recognize the winner of the BCS National Championship game as the official and only champion. The BCS was created to end split championships and for the champion to win the title on the field between the two teams selected by the BCS.
Despite a mandate to vote for the BCS title game-winner No. 1 in the final poll, three coaches (Oregon's Mike Bellotti, Illinois' Ron Turner and South Carolina's Lou Holtz) broke the contractual agreement and cast their No.1 vote to USC.
LINK LINK
Posted on 8/9/23 at 8:49 am to LCTFAN
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see below, the conferences signed a contract to recognize the winner of the top two teams as national champion.
You will notice that there is no citation listed to validate the claim made by some random person on Wikipedia. Anyone can claim anything they want on Wikipedia. Without proof, it’s meaningless as a source.
And that still does nothing to answer the question I posed to you. If the AP voters were so intent on being contrarian why did they not vote USC #1 in 2007 and 2008 when they had the same number of losses as the BCS champion? If they were so biased toward USC because of the L.A. market, why did they not crown them in those years and why was LSU #3 and USC #4 in 2006 when both were 11-2? None of those results fit your narrative.
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