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re: Why is Joe Alleva still employed at LSU?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Because he seems to be hitting all the right buttons....
Why is Joe Alleva still employed at LSU?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Right. The same people that are so quick to point out how much money he raises are likely the same guys that will scream to high heaven that Miles only succeeded because of what Saban built.
Alleva didn’t walk into a finely tuned athletic department that was drowning in donations?
And the same people who said LSU recruits itself when Miles was raking in top 5 classes are the same ones saying Orgeron isn't recruiting well.
Bottom line (no pun intended) is LSU's athletic revenue has increased under Alleva, and is now higher than it's ever been. I can't stand the guy for his seemly instinctual habit of fricking up easy PR decisions, I've called for him to be fired, but it is what it is. The guy knows how to make money, and that's what matters to the people making the decisions. The university was flat broke and the athletic department was steady handing them 10 million a year. If you think that machine just keeps working no matter who is running it, you're delusional.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:36 am to cuyahoga tiger
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...so it's ok to settle for 1/2 of a god job?....how about someone who can make $$ and run a sound department, without regurgitating all the stuff he has whiffed on
So in other words, hire someone who is perfect? What a novel idea.
And 1/2 of what job? His only job is to keep the department making money. Priority two is do it without scandal, but even that won't matter if the money keeps rolling in. Priority 28 or 29 is appeasing the hardcore faction of the fanbase that really doesn't represent that much revenue and nit picks every decision he makes (I'm one of these too). The truth of it is, ticket sales were good even when this place was losing it's mind. If you protest something he does and give up your season tickets, Exxon will be happy to add to their block. LSU Athletics are social events and opportunities for companies to use tickets as perks for sales/employees. Joe is in touch with how to market and monetize that. It is what it is.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:42 am to BlueTiger54
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He's able to raise a crap load of money and produce a significant amount of revenue
So what. Joe Dean did that with a 75,000 seat stadium housing a crap football team, and no SEC Network.
The department would be fine revenue wise without Blunderin Joe.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:46 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Nope...nope
Alleva should be removed from his position anyway because the process by which the decision was made was so so bad.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:46 am to boxcar willie
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What's with the Alleva hate these days? Seems to be doing a pretty good job other than the money hungry policies.
You think it is a good job to give a guy with a track record of failure, that nobody else wanted a $12 Million buyout, and give a guy that is considered the next big thing in college basketball, who will be recruited by every blue blood program no buyout at all?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:how was the process for hiring Will Wade? Deeply flawed?
. the process used to hire O was deeply deeply flawed and will fail far more often than it will succeed.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:00 am to Space Cowboy
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Seek mental help you retard. Nonetheless, your palpable misery over the coach O hire brings me great pleasure and great joy. So let me thank you from the bottom of my heart for that.
You need to get some new material. You regurgitate the same line every time.
Gay retard
O will coach 10-15 years
your palpable misery gives me pleasure
I wonder if you're not the one with mental handicaps. Your mind is stuck in a loop.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:12 am to Space Cowboy
You seriously need to take a deep breath
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:18 am to Draconian Sanctions
If O and Wade work out you are just wasting your time hoping big fella.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:30 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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And the same people who said LSU recruits itself when Miles was raking in top 5 classes are the same ones saying Orgeron isn't recruiting well.
Bottom line (no pun intended) is LSU's athletic revenue has increased under Alleva, and is now higher than it's ever been. I can't stand the guy for his seemly instinctual habit of fricking up easy PR decisions, I've called for him to be fired, but it is what it is. The guy knows how to make money, and that's what matters to the people making the decisions. The university was flat broke and the athletic department was steady handing them 10 million a year. If you think that machine just keeps working no matter who is running it, you're delusional.
How much of the increased revenue is Alleva's efforts vs. the introduction of the SEC Network? Massive TV contracts are a huge source of income to all member-schools and have NOTHING to do with the individual AD's. LSU would be getting that money if Mike the Tiger were the AD. Bowl revenue is another major source, which again, the AD has nothing to do with. Revenue from attendance at basketball games have plummeted largely because of Alleva's "efforts". Football game attendance is trending down (though that probably doesn't have much to do with Alleva). So while he may be a decent private donations fundraiser (who knows?). That's not the major source of LSU's athletic funding and I'd imagine most AD's could do well in that dept. But let's look at Alleva's tenure
1. Hires Trent Johnson - which doesn't look like a bad hire on paper. Trent actually wins the SEC his first year. After that, the program tanks. That's not Alleva's fault. HOWEVER, waiting too long to make a move from Johnson is. It was clear Johnson wasn't going to work out at LSU. Even Johnson saw it! Which is why he left on his own to go to TCU. But, because Alleva drug his feet on making that move, LSU was left in a tough spot trying to replace Johnson. The other schools had already fired and hired new coaches when the LSU job became available. Plus, the April signing period was fast approaching and coaches were hesitant to take a new job. His lack of being proactive pushed LSU to hiring a guy NO OTHER POWER CONF SCHOOL IN AMERICAN WANTED, Johnny Jones.
2. In 2015 he leaks to the media that Les is coaching for his job at the end of the season. Speculation runs rampant. Not even Les knows if he will be retained for 2016. Joe says NOTHING regarding the reports. He then gets completely worked over by Jimbo Fisher in an attempted coup d etat and allows LSU to look ridiculous in the final home game of the season. The media, fans, players, etc. ALL think it is Les' final game. He's carried off the fricking field only for Joe to finally break his month long silence and "triumphantly" report that Les "IS and "WILL be the coach of LSU.
3. Johnny Jones falls flat on his face in the much hyped 15-16 basketball season and it becomes clear (though I have no idea why any one was shocked) he is not the guy to guide LSU to becoming a championship program. At that point the program had quit on Jones. Joe could have moved on right then and there. There was still enough talent on the roster to salvage a decent 16-17 season and allow the new coach to come in, get a jump on recruiting, and avoid a complete rebuild. Instead, Joe allows Jones to coach a team who doesn't care last season and drops LSU into the cellar of an improving SEC. Maybe Joe didn't want to fire Jones after 15-16 because Jones had too much left on his contract? However, that tends to happen when you give a guy an unnecessary 3 year extension and raise on his initial 5 year deal after only year 2. Jones, a coach who NO ONE IN AMERICA was interested in, gets a raise and extension after taking a team comprised of a top 10 recruiting class AND 2X 1st team all SEC performer, to the NIT, in a HORRIBLE SEC. THAT "achievement" got Jones an unnecessary raise/extension. NO ONE WAS EVER COMING TO GET JONES!
4. In 2016, after triumphantly announcing Les will remain the LSU HC...he fires him 4 games into the season. The purported good news is that LSU gets a 3 month jump on the hiring process. He gets to Thanksgiving and it looks like a deal for Tom Herman is in place...until Texas does something smart and makes a play for Herman. Instead of having the foresight to anticipate that would happen and being prepared when it did, Joe gets pissed and doesn't even meet face to face with Herman to try to convince him to take the LSU job. In fact, Joe never actually fricking interviewed anyone face to face but Ogeron. Now, it's likely that Herman wasn't ever going to choose LSU over Texas. That's not Alleva's fault. But the reaction is. He turns around and rushes a coach WHO NO ONE ELSE IN AMERICA was going to hire to the podium just to somehow beat Texas to the PR punch as if Texas or anyone else would be impressed LSU hired Ed Ogeron. He then adds significant financial guarantees to the contract that were unnecessary which makes moving on from Ogeron quickly (if need be) prohibitive. Ogeron somehow leveraged an unleveragable position. He wasn't going to get a HC job anywhere but LSU (sound familiar?)
Now we sit here today. Ogeron has seemingly turned things around after a disastrous start. He deserves credit. But the SEC is probably as bad as it's been in 15 years. That may change very soon. I HOPE with every once of my being that O is the guy to lead LSU to a championship program. But, there's nothing in in pedigree to say that's a definite
I think the latest basketball hire is a GREAT hire. But how much credit does Alleva deserve for that. Wade contacted LSU months before the job came available and expressed his interest. Joe didn't find Wade. Wade sought out LSU. And the person who told Joe to hire Wade is now the current AD at New Mexico. Wade fell into Joe's lap and Eddie Nunez made sure Alleva didn't frick it up.
Bottom line: Do you trust Joe Alleva to make another big decision at LSU?
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Why is Joe Alleva still employed at LSU?
He won’t be for much longer...
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:35 am to Alt26
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Bottom line: Do you trust Joe Alleva to make another big decision at LSU?
No, I don't. The point is my opinion doesn't matter. He's terrible at the parts I care about, which are what you detailed. You left off the huge embarrassment that was the Chavis contract fiasco. I agree on all counts. The guy is clueless on how to conduct business in the public eye. He's an accountant.
The point remains that he has the LSU athletic department flush with cash. You can argue whether it's due to TV deals or networks however you want, he didn't frick it up. That, in addition to the money making measures he's made in the gameday experience, is what matters to decision makers.
You're looking at this as a fan. Nothing wrong with that, but as long as there's a waiting list for tickets and the booster donations keep rolling in, Joe will have some support. Maybe he pisses off someone and gets himself fired, I don't have a crystal ball, but I can tell you it will be about protecting the brand, not what fans want.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:43 am to Space Cowboy
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Your obvious misery too brings me great pleasure and joy tard.
See, again. Try harder.
We can't take you seriously if you don't even try to change up your quips once in a while.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 10:48 am to BlueTiger54
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He's able to raise a crap load of money and produce a significant amount of revenue
While he sucks at literally everything else, the above is really important to decision makers
He was hired right after a football NC, right before a baseball NC. Presided over the tail end of the golden era of LSU football. Right as that was ending, the SEC network money started coming in.
If you think Joe is a great fund raiser, you should watch any one of his press conferences. He’s horrible in front of a crowd.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 11:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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you're focusing on the result, not the process.
I thought fans wanted results. So if the football team wins a NC, Wade brings BB back to prominence at LSU and baseball continues to produce we will be one of the few programs to be successful in all 3 major sports.
I get the frustration with the process and I am no fan of Alleva. I wanted him gone, but results are results. If the football program does make that jump then so be it. I'll be ecstatic.
You are basically admitting that even if the team wins you don't care because you are butt hurt about the process. You are making the argument for the O supporters without knowing it.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Even if O turns out to be the second coming, Alleva should be removed from his position anyway because the process by which the decision was made was so so bad.
What amazing logic. You,sir, are a mental midget !
Posted on 11/16/17 at 1:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Its a treasonous lodge thing.
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