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re: Why I would have stuck with Ack
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:01 pm to RB10
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:01 pm to RB10
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Weird that coaches do it all the time then. Even Skip Bertman.
Ah yes, comparing current coaching philosophies to the those of the 90’s. Genuine question, how many teams had their day one starters close out regional games 3 days after throwing 100+ pitches this year?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:03 pm
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:03 pm to Lester Earl
Would’ve given Ack one batter & see how things go. Hindsight is 20/20 of course
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:03 pm to LSBoosie
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Ah yes, comparing current coaching philosophies to the mode of the 90’s
It still happens today. Are you under the impression that Johnson is the only coach to do it?
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Genuine question, how many teams had their day one starters close out regional games 3 days after throwing 100+ pitches this year?
Give me a list of the elimination games that were 1 run leads going into the 9 inning. M
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:03 pm to RB10
i feel like you are trying to frame my argument to be that starters never go into the game to throw in relief.
Me saying that it is an unnatural spot /=/ is not me denying that it doesn’t happen. I’m not the pirate king, you aren’t gonna gaslight me with this dumb shite bubba
Me saying that it is an unnatural spot /=/ is not me denying that it doesn’t happen. I’m not the pirate king, you aren’t gonna gaslight me with this dumb shite bubba
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:05 pm to Zchlsu
I think Yeskie deserves a boatload of credit for developing this staff, but it seems like 2 strike wipe out pitches were a struggle. Which is crazy to say considering how many strikeouts we had this year.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:08 pm to DBG
I agree Yeskie did a great job overall.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
I like the idea of Ack facing Gallaher with the slider much more than Jump riding the fastball. It just wasn't a good call. And Gallaher was their only chance at creating a run. If you hold him to a single even, it's probably ball game. Instead you give up a lead off double down the line when he turned on a pitch. The other thing that got me was why in the hell were LSU playing at no doubles depth after Gallaher got the lead off double? Pearson should've been able to get to the weak blooper single in left if positioned normally.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:13 pm to RB10
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It still happens today. Are you under the impression that Johnson is the only coach to do it?
No? Who said that?
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Give me a list of the elimination games that were 1 run leads going into the 9 inning.
Evansville vs ECU earlier today. You said every single coach in the country would use their #1 in that scenario. Did Evansville?
Florida/Ok St game also today. Florida had a 2 run lead. Did they use a starter or a guy that has been a reliever all year long and was rolling in that game?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:13 pm to Lester Earl
Not even trying to gaslight you. Just pointing out that great coaches disagree with your logic.
They want their best available in the game in that situation.
They want their best available in the game in that situation.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:26 pm to LSBoosie
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Evansville vs ECU earlier today. You said every single coach in the country would use their #1 in that scenario. Did Evansville?
Evansville had their best bullpen arm available, in game 4 for them.
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Florida/Ok St game also today. Florida had a 2 run lead. Did they use a starter or a guy that has been a reliever all year long and was rolling in that game?
Florida State swept their regional in 3 games.
You see, when I say “this scenario” I mean this actual scenario. Game 5 of a regional for the team, coming out of the losers bracket and cobbling together enough innings from your bullpen to keep you in the game.
Neither of those games are the same situation.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:30 pm to RB10
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Evansville had their best bullpen arm available, in game 4 for them.
You told me to give you a game with a team that had a 1 run lead going into the 9th so I did. And they used a reliever to close the game, not a starter.
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Florida State swept their regional in 3 games.
I’m talking about Florida (in their 5th game of the regional). Not Florida State. Keep up man.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:33 pm to Lester Earl
My usual philosophy is to stick with what is working until the first hint of trouble. Bring Ack back in until he allows someone to get on base or gives up too loud of an out. But a one run lead going into the 9th is what Johnson was dreaming of in order to have his ace close things out. It didn’t work for a variety of reasons. Hindsight is 20/20.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:39 pm to Lester Earl
Im not questioning Jay, but I did think he was going to leave Ack in until he got a baserunner
More so due to his hot hand and some due to not risking Jump
The odds Ack had a clean inning were slim, so Jump likely coming in regardless, so I’m not second guessing
More so due to his hot hand and some due to not risking Jump
The odds Ack had a clean inning were slim, so Jump likely coming in regardless, so I’m not second guessing
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:42 pm to LSBoosie
I see you glossed over Evansville.
Went with their top bullpen arm for 3 innings. 4.18 ERA. 1.23 WHIP.
It would have been great to have Herring available tonight, but he wasn’t.
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I’m talking about Florida (in their 5th game of the regional). Not Florida State. Keep up man.
Went with their top bullpen arm for 3 innings. 4.18 ERA. 1.23 WHIP.
It would have been great to have Herring available tonight, but he wasn’t.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:44 pm to Lester Earl
I would have too, but I'm not mad at the decision. I always believe in riding the current hot hand until something else happens. I think he managed Hellmers absolutely perfectly.
However, I understand the idea that you put your best in to close it out there. I truly get it. I just don't like making the switch personally, but that's me.
We will never know what would have happened. Maybe Ack gives up a few hits there too. Maybe you end up going to Jump after a hit and they still score. Who knows.
With all that said, I don't believe it's hindsight to believe in riding the hot hand. I think you always give the other team hope by taking out a pitcher currently dominating them.
However, I understand the idea that you put your best in to close it out there. I truly get it. I just don't like making the switch personally, but that's me.
We will never know what would have happened. Maybe Ack gives up a few hits there too. Maybe you end up going to Jump after a hit and they still score. Who knows.
With all that said, I don't believe it's hindsight to believe in riding the hot hand. I think you always give the other team hope by taking out a pitcher currently dominating them.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:48 pm to RB10
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I see you glossed over Evansville.
No I addressed it. You asked me to find you a team that fit your criteria and I did.
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Went with their top bullpen arm for 3 innings.
Thanks. You just named two close games in which the team that was leading went to their best available bullpen arm to finish the game. Not a starter on 3 days rest.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:56 pm to LSBoosie
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No I addressed it. You asked me to find you a team that fit your criteria and I did.
Evansville was not in the same scenario as LSU. They played a full game less.
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Thanks. You just named two close games in which the team that was leading went to their best available bullpen arm to finish the game. Not a starter on 3 days rest.
Not best available, “best”.
Big difference.
LSU’s best bullpen arm was burned yesterday because Ack couldn’t get out of the first inning against Wofford.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:03 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:04 am to RB10
You are adding in so many caveats it’s crazy. So a team should only pitch a reliever to close out the game if it’s their best reliever? What if it’s their 2nd best reliever? What about the 3rd best reliever? What is the exact cutoff? There’s some coaches that wouldn’t even consider a guy on 2 days rest after throwing 100+ pitchers when they have other relievers (that just struck out 3 batters the previous inning) available.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:06 am to LSBoosie
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You are adding in so many caveats it’s crazy.
No, I’m not.
I said same scenario. Evansville was not in this scenario. They came out of the winners bracket.
Florida was in this scenario, but they were fortunate and had their best bullpen arm available. LSU did not.
If Hereing was available I have zero doubt he gets the ball. However, when you’re looking at an inconsistent mid reliever, or your #1, most coaches are going with the latter to get 3 outs in an elimination game.
I’m sorry that bothers you so much.
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So a team should only pitch a reliever to close out the game if it’s their best reliever? What if it’s their 2nd best reliever? What about the 3rd best reliever? What is the exact cutoff?
Personally, I don’t want a reliever with a 5.00+ ERA and control issues closing out the game.
That’s just me though.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:09 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:07 am to Zchlsu
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Really the only thing in hindsight I question is throwing offspeed to Gallaher who was struggling with Jumps fastball.
This x1000000. It’s the game within the game. He was late on the fastball. Why would you throw him the off speed that he was clearly sitting on.
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