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re: Why Does Kevin Toliver DESERVE to Start?
Posted on 9/10/17 at 4:20 pm to memphis tiger
Posted on 9/10/17 at 4:20 pm to memphis tiger
His coverage is there. He is a big physical cornerback as well. Turning his head was an issue other than that he has all pro all over him. Jmo
Posted on 9/10/17 at 4:31 pm to moock blackjack
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I'd like to see Tolliver and Greedy start!!
This. Jackson is too short. He needs to be on the field, but not as a cover corner.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 4:51 pm to LSUButt
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you sure? It won't end well...
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Would you like to look up career stats? Toliver was downright bad last season.
Some boom that was.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:00 pm to kengel2
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Some boom that was.
Well actually, it was. Because when you strip away everything, my main question remains. I have provided evidence as to why DJ is AT LEAST equal to Toliver.
My question was why does Kevin Toliver deserve to start. You have answered with nothing but saying Donte is not good. So I'm still waiting for your boom...Hell, I'm waiting for anything at all.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:07 pm to Blanky6715
Tolliver is a better overall DB in my opinion. He has better technique. Donte is a good back but the fact that he's lightning fast usually covers for any poor technique. Tolliver is the bigger more physical back which will help with outside run support.
I think Tolliver was just readjusting in yesterday's game and I expect him to start opposite Greedy with donte at nickel
I think Tolliver was just readjusting in yesterday's game and I expect him to start opposite Greedy with donte at nickel
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:36 pm to LSUButt
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You have answered with nothing but saying Donte is not good.
Please point out where I said DJ is not good? If I did it was a mistake.
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I have provided evidence as to why DJ is AT LEAST equal to Toliver.
So DJ can only equal Tolivers performance? By all means keep the better player on the bench.
Did you read my first post in this thread? Probably not, but its all good.
LINK
This place shows missed tackles. Not much else.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:39 pm to PaperTiger
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Tolliver is a better overall DB in my opinion.
And your opinion is based on what? His star rating out of high school?
Please, for the love of god, tell us why your opinion is better than Corey Raymond and Dave Arandas.
Because apparently both of them think DJ is better otherwise he would Be starting over KT.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:44 pm to memphis tiger
Read the rest of the post idiot. It's an opinion. You asked for them. I explained. I didn't say I was more informed than either coach.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:47 pm to PaperTiger
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I didn't say I was more informed than either coach.
Yet you still think the guy on the bench is better than they guy THEY chose to put on the field.
So you obviously do think you know more than them.... otherwise you would not hold that opinion.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 5:56 pm to memphis tiger
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Yet you still think the guy on the bench is better than they guy THEY chose to put on the field.
So you obviously do think you know more than them.... otherwise you would not hold that opinion.
To be fair they put Toliver out there first and then he got hurt and then suspended, but dont let that ruin your argument about knowing what the coaches know.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 6:00 pm to kengel2
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To be fair they put Toliver out there first and then he got hurt and then suspended, but dont let that ruin your argument about knowing what the coaches know.
1. When healthy has he been demonstrably better than DJ? No
2. He was healthy and not suspended last night, yet still sat behind DJ and Greedy. What does that tell you?
I love the way you guys just assume that the coaches have no idea what they are doing... just because you THINK a certain player is better.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 9/10/17 at 6:12 pm to memphis tiger
Toliver at CB2 and Donte at nickel makes more sense at it gets both on the field. In your scenario it's one over the other. I'd rather both be on the field. Especially donte at nickel for blitzing purposes.
Plus Toliver is the bigger more physical back which typically works better covering the WR1.
All depends on who they are covering.
Plus Toliver is the bigger more physical back which typically works better covering the WR1.
All depends on who they are covering.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:13 pm to LSUButt
There have been multiple issues with KT2 since he has been here. It is only up to the coaches discretion as who they see fit as "deserving". If you dont do your work in the classroom and are late to meetings those are things that regardless of talent are not tolerated.
I personally think our entire DB group has played pretty well, albeit they have not been the most efficient or most prolific passing games they have gone up against.
With Donte I think it is simple, he relies too heavily on his speed at times and he gets beat off the line way too much for someone with his athletic ability. He could be more physical within the first five yards. Like others have said he gets caught up way too much in talking and I think if he locked in he would be a great Dime package type of guy. I really like Greedy Williams ability to attack the ball in the air.
As we start to get into SEC play and bigger receivers I think KT gets more playing time. One thing he does exceptionally well is with his long arms jamming opposing receivers. Also if you do not get any balls thrown your way it can be misleading you are not doing anything.
I personally think our entire DB group has played pretty well, albeit they have not been the most efficient or most prolific passing games they have gone up against.
With Donte I think it is simple, he relies too heavily on his speed at times and he gets beat off the line way too much for someone with his athletic ability. He could be more physical within the first five yards. Like others have said he gets caught up way too much in talking and I think if he locked in he would be a great Dime package type of guy. I really like Greedy Williams ability to attack the ball in the air.
As we start to get into SEC play and bigger receivers I think KT gets more playing time. One thing he does exceptionally well is with his long arms jamming opposing receivers. Also if you do not get any balls thrown your way it can be misleading you are not doing anything.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:11 pm to Old Money
I am a donte jackson fan. gotta love the fastest dude oin college football. that being said, it seems to me that he has more lapses in coverage than our other corners. that's just my opinion. whoever they start though.... most probably deserves it
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:24 pm to PaperTiger
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I think Tolliver was just readjusting in yesterday's game and I expect him to start opposite Greedy with donte at nickel
I don't think #15 is leaving the field. He has greatness written all over him. In fact, our two best DBs, based on potential only, are Delpit and Vincent.
I don't know how we do it, but we've done it again. LSU consistently brings in the best DB classes in all of college football. You could take the DBs from any LSU team in the last 10 years, put them on an NFL team, and in five years have one of the top 10 secondaries in the NFL.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:31 pm to memphis tiger
I think what people are trying to say is that Toliver has the better potential. It's not a coincidence that everyone plays the taller, longer CBs these days. You usually have bigger more physical guys on the outside so you want to match that. Jackson is good but if the light for Toliver ever came on he could be on Greedy's level IMO. He just simply has to mock what Greedy is doing. Be tough physical, aggressive, and break on balls. Don't give the WRs any room, and he can do that. DJ gets pushed around quite a bit and is blocked out by bigger WRs.
Tolliver can be better in that dept as well if he matches their physical style. I think you have plus and minus with both of those guys but if Tolliver ever tried to be better he could be much better than DJ. DJ would be great in a blitz type of role or in the slot. But you have Vincent hogging that spot. It's tough. I would think about switching him to a dime package or sub in the Nickle, and then maybe play him on offense for those jet sweep plays.
We could find a way to get him more action. That's all if Tollivers light ever comes on. Idk why some players just have that fight in them and some don't. It makes a huge difference on the field though.
Tolliver can be better in that dept as well if he matches their physical style. I think you have plus and minus with both of those guys but if Tolliver ever tried to be better he could be much better than DJ. DJ would be great in a blitz type of role or in the slot. But you have Vincent hogging that spot. It's tough. I would think about switching him to a dime package or sub in the Nickle, and then maybe play him on offense for those jet sweep plays.
We could find a way to get him more action. That's all if Tollivers light ever comes on. Idk why some players just have that fight in them and some don't. It makes a huge difference on the field though.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:37 pm to Midtiger farm
Bingo. Most fans as a whole are clueless idiots. Just wait until Etling throws his first INT, or whichever CB gets a TD scored on them first lol.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:37 pm to BayouBengal99
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That's all if Tollivers light ever comes on
If...if... if
If the light comes on maybe he can overtake DJ or Greedy.
But I'd prefer the starting CBs to be based on actual production not what the rant thinks is their potential.
This post was edited on 9/10/17 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 9/10/17 at 8:58 pm to memphis tiger
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But I'd prefer the starting CBs to be based on actual production not what the rant thinks is their potential.
Their production is very similar with Toliver missing less tackles than Jackson. That is in the link I posted. Other than that, the stat line is almost equal.
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