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re: Why do I keep seeing that Kelly isn't taking responsibility....
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:29 am to im4LSU
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:29 am to im4LSU
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It’s some sort of weird coping mechanism. Like they just can’t accept the outcome of the game and have to manufacture these strawman arguments to direct their rage towards.
One of the most profound things ever said on the rant/score board.
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Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:31 am to The Korean
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All of that "its on me" words are at the end of his statement. IMHO those words are there because of the media, so it can't be said he did not take responsibility.
So chalk another one up to “Yea, but he said it at the end of his sentence. He did take responsibility but he’s just saying that because he has to. He doesn’t mean it.” Gotcha.
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In at least one of the comments, he rants and then when he gets to it's on me, he demeanor changes, like he had a thought, I have to say this....
Seems understandable when you transition thought processes from identifying and laying out the problem you see, to doling out responsibility for said problem.
I do that with my kids. It’s a different thought process.
Again, yall will look for ANYTHING to justify yourselves
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:33 am to im4LSU
He’s saying all the lines. He’s playing his role. Acting though. There’s no nuts behind his words they are just what he thinks he should say to the players as a coach. The sincerity and genuine burning desire for LSU to win is not there with this guy.
He doesn’t have genuine care for LSU. Just the 100 mill Jimbo contract that Woody threw at him.
He doesn’t have genuine care for LSU. Just the 100 mill Jimbo contract that Woody threw at him.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:34 am to im4LSU
Except it's the same problems year in and year out. Just saying "my bad" and trying to move on is not a valid strategy.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:34 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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“Put it on me”
“Gotta coach better”
This sounds exactly what everyone crucified Coach O for saying
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:35 am to im4LSU
The players don’t take him seriously. They pick up on his “saying his lines”
His canned lines.
His canned lines.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:38 am to CrystalPreserves
His press conference words of "this is on me" is the equivalent of your kids saying "I'm sorry" but continuing the same behavior over and over again.
Taking responsibility involves more than saying words after the fact. It involves actually changing your actions. That's what people are saying about Brian Kelly. It's the same crap 3 years in. He sounds just like Ed Orgeron.
"This is on me. It's my fault and I'll get it fixed." And doing the same actions that give the same results.
Taking responsibility involves more than saying words after the fact. It involves actually changing your actions. That's what people are saying about Brian Kelly. It's the same crap 3 years in. He sounds just like Ed Orgeron.
"This is on me. It's my fault and I'll get it fixed." And doing the same actions that give the same results.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:40 am to CrystalPreserves
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The players don’t take him seriously. They pick up on his “saying his lines” His canned lines
So what would he have to say in that moment in order for yall to be like “Ok, I’m on board with that and I believe what he’s saying.”
Remember now, you can’t throw players under the bus or hold them accountable. Everyone seems to take issue with that.
“Everyone is running stadiums.” ???
“I’m gonna start docking NIL money and coaches pay.” ???
“ I’m suspending so and so effective immediately.” ???
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:52 am to hashtag
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Taking responsibility involves more than saying words after the fact. It involves actually changing your actions. That's what people are saying about Brian Kelly. It's the same crap 3 years in
And I can concede that. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t taking responsibility. That’s him being unable to fix it. Which is another issue in itself. But that’s not the point of this thread. Everyone was bitching about him just throwing his players under the bus and not taking responsibility. That was just a lie. Now it’s on him to fix it.
Last year he took responsibility for the dogshit defense and he made drastic changes which from the initial looks, seem to be working out. Much improved at least.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:52 am to im4LSU
Bc people on this board are stupid.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:54 am to im4LSU
His statements put the primary reasons for loss on the players. Him saying he takes responsibility for that still puts the onus on the players. He says he takes responsibility because he looks like a total D-bag if he doesn’t say it.
If he really took responsibility then we wouldn’t have had the same results three years in a row. Show me a different level of urgency and I’ll start to believe he’s taken responsibility.
If he really took responsibility then we wouldn’t have had the same results three years in a row. Show me a different level of urgency and I’ll start to believe he’s taken responsibility.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:56 am to im4LSU
quote:nah. The lie is him saying something like "I've got to fix it", and then blaming player attitudes. Taking responsibility would be him saying very specific things that he did poorly which led to the players performance issues. Instead, he said, "I have to fix it" and then shite on the players like it wasn't his fault that the players did what his program led them to do.
Everyone was bitching about him just throwing his players under the bus and not taking responsibility. That was just a lie. Now it’s on him to fix it.
Talk to me once he lays out specific things that him and his coaching staff did that were wrong. Anything else is him trying to make you think he's accepting responsibility when he's actually blaming someone else for the actual thing that caused the bad results.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:57 am to Raz
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Because he's basically saying "I take responsibility for everyone else in the program fricking up except me."
No he's not. It was a dad moment. The I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed type of talk. He was 100% just talking to the team. It will land or it won't.
Lsu played a quality team and played well enough to win. It's week 1.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:01 am to TigerKnights
Are they not sucking? What are you missing. He pointed out the truth.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:01 am to im4LSU
quote:The same thing I'd expect from anyone in any profession.
So what would he have to say in that moment in order for yall to be like “Ok, I’m on board with that and I believe what he’s saying.”
1. State specifically what the problem is/was (not generic terms).
2. State specifically what the person did that caused those bad results.
3. State what he, as the head coach, is gonna do to fix that problem (specifics, not generic).
He gave generic coach speak and then blamed the players for the specifics. He's a shitty leader of people if that's the best he can do.
Here's an easy example:
"The defense was in position pretty good and had some issues securing tackles and missed some. As the head coach, I need to make some changes to our practice scheme. We've done a lot of hands off defensive work, and that resulted in poor tackling. This isn't on the players. This is on us coaches. Moving forward, we're going to have to do a better job of letting these guys hit and tackle in practice so that it translates to game time."
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:03 am to TigerWoodlands
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His statements put the primary reasons for loss on the players
Do you not think the personal fouls were key parts of the game? They directly affected the score. Or are you just not for holding paid athletes accountable for being idiots?
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Him saying he takes responsibility for that still puts the onus on the players
So him taking responsibility, means the responsibility is on the players? Seems like a stretch but ok
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:10 am to Che Boludo
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He was 100% just talking to the team. It will land or it won't.
Pretty much this.
The reality is that there’s absolutely nothing Kelly can say after that loss that will satisfy the fan base. Whatever issues he points out, the reaction will be “why didn’t you fix it then?” If he just says it’s his fault, it will be “here we go, Eg Orgeron all over again.”*
*Side note - it was a dumb critique of Orgeron as well. Orgeron’s problem wasn’t saying “put it on me” in the press conferences. His problem was going .500 2 years in a row.
The fans will be mad no matter what. They will use his statements as ammunition to be mad no matter what. If he can get a message across to his team, that’s about the only positive that can come out of the press conference. Maybe it lands or maybe it doesn’t as you said.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:13 am to hashtag
So 10 minutes after his team loses a heartbreaker in the last 1:47 seconds of a game, you want him to come in there without reviewing any of the specifics, reviewing any actual game film, without consulting with his coaches and have a full plan on how he’s altering practice schedules and program fundamentals? It sounds good but is completely unrealistic in that moment, which is what I asked. You want him to come in there and react emotionally without actually thinking things through.
That makes so much sense, considering that is the very root of this thread. People reacting emotionally. Yall want him to be like you.
I feel like we are making good progress here.
That makes so much sense, considering that is the very root of this thread. People reacting emotionally. Yall want him to be like you.
I feel like we are making good progress here.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:21 am to im4LSU
quote:what do you think him banging the table and blaming the players is?
You want him to come in there and react emotionally without actually thinking things through.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 10:28 am to hashtag
I didn’t say he wasn’t emotional. You’re asking him to change practice routines without discussing it with anyone and without even reviewing the film on his way from the field to the podium and THEN share that info
And again, the players deserve to share the blame. They made idiotic mistakes.
Keep up.
And again, the players deserve to share the blame. They made idiotic mistakes.
Keep up.
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