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re: Why did not T and W wait until after the tourney

Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:37 pm to
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Since there was a window to respond it seems it would have been less disruptive to wait a week or two until the run is over. That was a possibility. Especially since they said in their signed statement that firing coach Wade does not mean they agree with the allegations.


The NCAA could've waited, but there was no reason for LSU to wait once they got the NOA, and the information was made public. The disruption was already accomplished.

Allowing Wade to coach in the tournament would've just pissed the NCAA off, and we'd look like idiots to the media and general public. Even if we went on a run, the NCAA would just vacate the wins out of spite.
Posted by DrDolemite
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2019
18 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:02 pm to
Again it was T and W letter that said that firing Coach Wade does not mean they agree with the accusations. That just does not fit. Seems like you use the opportunity to say we take these accusations seriously and will respond once we have had a chance to evaluate them.
I was at the Vanderbilt game the first Coach Wade did not coach. That had to be one of the most passionately supportive crowds I have seen in a long time at an LSU event. It was a magical night.
And it did not go well for JA that night.
I think that emotion still exists and I am not sure T and A considered that part as I read their letter of dismissal. Time will tell.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38339 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:28 pm to
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So Iin the letter signed by T and W they say their actions to fire coach Wade were NOT an acknowledgement that they agree with the allegations. Interesting. I think if I remember correctly LSU has a few weeks to respond to the allegations.
So why could T and W not wait until the tourney run was done to make their move.


They are denying the lack of institutional control charge.

They will say that by the time they fully assessed the charges and realized what was going on was in the midst of the SEC tourney (which may actually be true) and decided the time to fire Wade was immediately following the Arkansas Game (and can clain=m they would have win or loss).

And I think that was their only real play and probably the right play considering how stupidly Wade went about this and the position HE put the University in.

Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35374 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:32 pm to
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But they said that there action to fire did not mean they agree with the allegations. A bit strange


Not at all. I'm sure a lawyer put that there just to cover all the bases.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:41 pm to
I am pretty sure when you are going to fire a coach with cause because he received a NOA you can’t just do that at anytime. It has to be done right away.
Posted by SaveFarris
Member since Apr 2012
2183 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:42 pm to
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Same question goes to the NCAA. If they really cared about the kids


Posted by rockynoggin
Battun Roo-uj
Member since Sep 2012
240 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:46 pm to
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The NCAA said fire Wade and make an example of him, and we will let everything else go. Wade was the martyr for the LSU program because Woodward wasn't going against family.


This is the answer. Blue bloods wanted one thing and one thing only, WW’s head served on a silver platter. That’s it and that’s all. The faster they got it the better for LSU as a whole, not to mention the frothy mouthed press incessantly asking questions and writing articles.

It’s done, it’s over. And nobody wants to talk about it now that that the bracket has been set. This is really the absolute best timing possible if you step back and think about it.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:50 pm to
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Because frick a shady, piss-poor coach bring info the entire athletics department down.
i see why you are depressed. you have posted the same three things in every wade thread. its gonna be okay
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:51 pm to
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Yeah that I agree with. Strange wording. I assume it’s because they want to wait until all of this is over and official before officially admitting anything. But now they can say “hey look, when we were made aware, we acted”. Honestly though, I don’t fully understand why they worded it that way


That may be part of it. But I think a big part is also that Woody inherited WW under a cloud of suspicion. This gives him the opportunity to hire his own guy without that black cloud.
Posted by LSUTiger2000
Member since Jul 2021
148 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:52 pm to
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The NCAA said fire Wade and make an example of him, and we will let everything else go.


You wanna come back here and say you’re wrong after the bball program gets gutted with sanctions?
Posted by rockynoggin
Battun Roo-uj
Member since Sep 2012
240 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 8:55 pm to
Maybe the program gets burned or maybe they don’t. Either way, waiting to fire Wade wouldn’t help matters in the public eye or with the NCAA. So, it may be bad but it could be worse.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
29999 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:13 pm to
Woodward is not just close friends with Emmert. He is family. I am not upset at LSU for the firing. It was probably layed out that we had no option.

The thing we should be upset with is tax funded FBI investigations into paying players to come play basketball. A woman at the center if which investigation committed a felony to produce such information. This is so rampant that they literally changed the rule so that you could pay these players. And they insisted on going even further with all this investigation from 4 or 5 yrs ago with felonious information. We should be upset with media figures with such a hard on over this for Will Wade and LSU that they literally wrote articles saying crappy Black head coaches might have succeeded if not for getting their arse kicked by Wade (woke racism BS). One of those coaches mentioned, I would be shocked if he were not doing the exact same thing. Not to mention Conveniently doing this right before the NCAA tourney every single year. You think Pat Forde? Pete Thamell? Dick Vitale? have an agenda in place? Its called “we won’t go after blue bloods, they are our friends and that would be biting the hand that feeds……..but these lower level programs can get effed”. Its why only the same hand full of teams can even win a national title every year.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 9:14 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:29 pm to
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They didn't want Wade making a run.


This team isn't making a run.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15586 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:30 pm to
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we'd look like idiots to the media and general public.


Who the hell cares? If you’re not a fan you can GTFO
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
6239 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:58 pm to
Optics
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
2071 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:59 pm to
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So Iin the letter signed by T and W they say their actions to fire coach Wade were NOT an acknowledgement that they agree with the allegations. Interesting. I think if I remember correctly LSU has a few weeks to respond to the allegations.


Firing Wade in a timely manner is an argument that the Lack of Institutional Control by the LSU administrations is not as bad as the NCAA alleges.

By firing Wade at this time, the response can say that the AD was able to do everything he could (considering that when Scott was hired, Wade had already lawyered up). Without the ability to talk to Wade about the allegations, his firing would not have been for cause as defined in the original contract.

This is why renegotiating the contract ended up being the only thing Woodward could do. And, that renegotiated contract is why LSU is able to fire Wade at this time with no chance of getting sued for breach.

I have my doubts as to whether this strategy will work with the NCAA (I think they will land hard on the basketball team.) But, they have to push this idea so that bleed-over sanctions don't cripple football.

That's my hunch, at least.

GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
16897 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 10:18 pm to
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Who the hell cares?

Me, because I'm a fan, and I want this program to still attract top level talent and coaches so we can win.

It's more difficult to do that if we look like retards who dare the NCAA to throw the book at us.
quote:

If you’re not a fan you can GTFO

Cry more.
Posted by DrDolemite
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2019
18 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:02 am to
All this in an atmosphere of a state that elected a top official that said hold your nose and vote for the crook. And we did.
We are righteous it seems when we want to be.
Coach Wade did not steal millions. He was small potatoes it seems in the big picture when it comes to breaking rules. Even in his profession and for sure when you look at our culture in general.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4748 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 11:45 am to
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They didn't want Wade making a run. Firing a sweet 16 coach would look even worse.


We fired Brady the year after the final 4, why would firing a sweet 16 coach who has potential NCAA violations look bad?
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
6043 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 12:02 pm to
All about the timing of the release of specifics.
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