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re: Why are some people so invested in the idea that Williams is

Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by NorfolkVATiger
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to
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it's a philosophy thing. i don't know why fans (and miles/porter apparently) value the BOOM BOOM play of a RB who will lower his shoulder and get 5 yards as opposed to a RB who will make the defender miss and get 25.


Watch the BCSCG? Beanie Wells averaged 7.1 yards a carry and broke one all the way.

Jacob Hester averaged 4.1 ypc.

But LSU got positive yards on almost every carry and repeatedly had 3rd and short. Third down efficiency: LSU 11/18 Ohio State 3/13. Total plays: LSU 76 Ohio State 56.

Those runs might not be sexy, but they keep drives alive, when you're getting 3 or 4 yards every time you touch the ball.
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to
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Irregardless


classic.
Posted by BBATiger
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:28 pm to
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not true

hester fumbled more than keiland last year


Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.

I think Trindon's fumble in the SECCG is the ONLY fumble amongst the returning backs, therefore, talking about fumbling problems is not relative at this point.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 12:31 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:28 pm to
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I still maintain that we lost the kentucky game because CS didnt play AT ALL in the 2nd half except for the 4th down carry in OT.

He gets 10-15 touches in the 2nd half....we win that game.

i agree

i think running keiland against their D would have helped also. UK didn't have great defensive speed, and we could get to the outside against them if we wanted. we also needed a lot less flynn and a lot more RP

scott was fricking insane that game tho in the first half. his use in the 2nd half was inexcusable (unless he hit/pushed a coach or something at halftime)

to make it all worse, hester was HURT
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to
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Watch the BCSCG? Beanie Wells averaged 7.1 yards a carry and broke one all the way.

Jacob Hester averaged 4.1 ypc.

But LSU got positive yards on almost every carry and repeatedly had 3rd and short.

so did OSU and Beanie Wells

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Those runs might not be sexy, but they keep drives alive, when you're getting 3 or 4 yards every time you touch the ball.

but the big play is crucial in college football

we play "3-4 yard" football against VT, and it's 21-10. we let keiland run wild and we frick them the frick up

without keiland running wild against VT we don't get a shot at the title game. it's that simple
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to
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i don't know why fans (and miles/porter apparently) value the BOOM BOOM play of a RB who will lower his shoulder and get 5 yards as opposed to a RB who will make the defender miss and get 25.
Why fans want a guy who can get 5 consistently

vs

Rarely getting making a guy miss and getting 25.

???

You make it sound like he was getting 25 everytime he touched the ball.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to
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Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.

nope

he fumbled last year and was not punished

keiland has never fumbled in a game for LSU

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therfore, talking about fumbling problems is not relative at this point.

i agree

until KW fumbles IN GAMES, it shouldn't be used against him
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:31 pm to
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scott was fricking insane that game tho in the first half. his use in the 2nd half was inexcusable (unless he hit/pushed a coach or something at halftime)



one of the best performances by an LSU running back i've seen in a long time...i was pissed off for a week about him not playing the 2nd half.

I would have played him even if he did hit a coach...he was probably just pumped...imagine what he would have done to kentucky players.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to
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Why fans want a guy who can get 5 consistently

vs

Rarely getting making a guy miss and getting 25.

keiland doesn't "rarely" make a guy miss

his effeiciency in 2006 was better than hester's in 2007. he provided a more positive net efficiency

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You make it sound like he was getting 25 everytime he touched the ball.

you make it sound like KW got nothing or 25, which isn't true. now he did have the worst run of any back on LSU last year (SECCG), but even with that run he was still over 7 ypc. people forget that

keiland did get stuck 1-2 yards past the line and hester often got another yard or 2 out of the runs

there isn't much difference in getting 4 yards and 2 yards on first downn. there is a huge difference in getting 50 or 10 on the 1 carry that breaks, however. just ask VT. or auburn (that was a reception). or kentucky (that was scott)

if scott can consistently make guys at the 2nd level miss and get big plays, then the argument is moot

but he hasn't proven he can do this more than keiland
Posted by BBATiger
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to
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Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.



nope

he fumbled last year and was not punished


Let me clarify. He did not lose a fumble.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to
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one of the best performances by an LSU running back i've seen in a long time

you mean since the VT game?

KW against VT >>>>>>>>>>>> CS against UK
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:40 pm to
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keiland doesn't "rarely" make a guy miss


I said he rarely makes a guy miss and picks up 25. Not just rarely makes a guy miss.

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you make it sound like KW got nothing or 25,
you made it sound like he was averaging 25 yards/touch.

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keiland did get stuck 1-2 yards past the line and hester often got another yard or 2 out of the runs
crucial.

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if scott can consistently make guys at the 2nd level miss
If he picks up 5 yards every carry, I'll take that all the way to the BCSCG.

Posted by True Grit
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:41 pm to
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with LSU moving to a spread option offense, running up the middle isn't as valuable


who says we are moving to a spread option offense?

there might be times when we line up in a spread formation and run the zone option, but i doubt we do it full time like rod's offense.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:43 pm to
I thought SFP was the one who was telling people last year that we are going to the "spread offense", not the "spread option offense". I agreed with that, but I guess he's changed his mind.
Posted by learnthehardway
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:45 pm to
i personally dgaf. we are DEEEEP at rb and that makes me happy
Posted by TigerStripes06
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:46 pm to
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you mean since the VT game?

KW against VT >>>>>>>>>>>> CS against UK



well thats easy to say...we won that game.

you may feel differently if we had won the UK game...but nonetheless, KW vs VT was pretty great.
Posted by Catahoula Lake LA
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:53 pm to
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better than Scott, that they assume KW has to be in the "doghouse" for Scott to pass him on the depth chart?


It will RB by committee...Scott will pound them in the first and second quarters...after opposing team's defenses are softened up, then KW and RM will come it and speed/quickness them to death.

I like it! And, it shows how smart Crowton and Miles are!


This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 12:54 pm
Posted by jdutch75
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:55 pm to
KW's problem is kinda like Bush's problem. Its either feast or famine with him. He doesn't run well between the tackles, therefore he can't keep his team in manageable down and distances. Way too many shoestring tackles on him also.
There's a big difference between 3rd and 6-8 vs. 3rd and 2-4, so 1-2 yds gains vs. 3-4 yds is huge. The offensive playbook is limited on 3rd and intermediate or 3rd and long, compared to 3rd and short. KW gives you a change of pace after pounding them with a power back, that's why he's more successful in certain situations.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:58 pm to
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KW's problem is kinda like Bush's problem.


no, LSU is has a pretty good run blocking offensive line

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He doesn't run well between the tackles


he did in 2006
Posted by jdutch75
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Posted on 8/24/08 at 1:06 pm to
The guy is not an inside runner. He likes running in space.
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LSU is has a pretty good run blocking offensive line

Wasn't referring to the O-line, talking about his running style. He is not a pounder, and tho he makes people miss, he doesn't break too many tackles. It takes a different mentality to run inside, and this is what I was referring to with the Bush comparison.
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