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re: Why are some people so invested in the idea that Williams is
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's a philosophy thing. i don't know why fans (and miles/porter apparently) value the BOOM BOOM play of a RB who will lower his shoulder and get 5 yards as opposed to a RB who will make the defender miss and get 25.
Watch the BCSCG? Beanie Wells averaged 7.1 yards a carry and broke one all the way.
Jacob Hester averaged 4.1 ypc.
But LSU got positive yards on almost every carry and repeatedly had 3rd and short. Third down efficiency: LSU 11/18 Ohio State 3/13. Total plays: LSU 76 Ohio State 56.
Those runs might not be sexy, but they keep drives alive, when you're getting 3 or 4 yards every time you touch the ball.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:27 pm to apacheba
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Irregardless
classic.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not true
hester fumbled more than keiland last year
Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.
I think Trindon's fumble in the SECCG is the ONLY fumble amongst the returning backs, therefore, talking about fumbling problems is not relative at this point.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:28 pm to TigerStripes06
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I still maintain that we lost the kentucky game because CS didnt play AT ALL in the 2nd half except for the 4th down carry in OT.
He gets 10-15 touches in the 2nd half....we win that game.
i agree
i think running keiland against their D would have helped also. UK didn't have great defensive speed, and we could get to the outside against them if we wanted. we also needed a lot less flynn and a lot more RP
scott was fricking insane that game tho in the first half. his use in the 2nd half was inexcusable (unless he hit/pushed a coach or something at halftime)
to make it all worse, hester was HURT
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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Watch the BCSCG? Beanie Wells averaged 7.1 yards a carry and broke one all the way.
Jacob Hester averaged 4.1 ypc.
But LSU got positive yards on almost every carry and repeatedly had 3rd and short.
so did OSU and Beanie Wells
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Those runs might not be sexy, but they keep drives alive, when you're getting 3 or 4 yards every time you touch the ball.
but the big play is crucial in college football
we play "3-4 yard" football against VT, and it's 21-10. we let keiland run wild and we frick them the frick up
without keiland running wild against VT we don't get a shot at the title game. it's that simple
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Why fans want a guy who can get 5 consistently
i don't know why fans (and miles/porter apparently) value the BOOM BOOM play of a RB who will lower his shoulder and get 5 yards as opposed to a RB who will make the defender miss and get 25.
vs
Rarely getting making a guy miss and getting 25.
???
You make it sound like he was getting 25 everytime he touched the ball.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:30 pm to BBATiger
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Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.
nope
he fumbled last year and was not punished
keiland has never fumbled in a game for LSU
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therfore, talking about fumbling problems is not relative at this point.
i agree
until KW fumbles IN GAMES, it shouldn't be used against him
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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scott was fricking insane that game tho in the first half. his use in the 2nd half was inexcusable (unless he hit/pushed a coach or something at halftime)
one of the best performances by an LSU running back i've seen in a long time...i was pissed off for a week about him not playing the 2nd half.
I would have played him even if he did hit a coach...he was probably just pumped...imagine what he would have done to kentucky players.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to Roaad
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Why fans want a guy who can get 5 consistently
vs
Rarely getting making a guy miss and getting 25.
keiland doesn't "rarely" make a guy miss
his effeiciency in 2006 was better than hester's in 2007. he provided a more positive net efficiency
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You make it sound like he was getting 25 everytime he touched the ball.
you make it sound like KW got nothing or 25, which isn't true. now he did have the worst run of any back on LSU last year (SECCG), but even with that run he was still over 7 ypc. people forget that
keiland did get stuck 1-2 yards past the line and hester often got another yard or 2 out of the runs
there isn't much difference in getting 4 yards and 2 yards on first downn. there is a huge difference in getting 50 or 10 on the 1 carry that breaks, however. just ask VT. or auburn (that was a reception). or kentucky (that was scott)
if scott can consistently make guys at the 2nd level miss and get big plays, then the argument is moot
but he hasn't proven he can do this more than keiland
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hester fumbled his first college carry, which I think was his only one.
nope
he fumbled last year and was not punished
Let me clarify. He did not lose a fumble.
LINK
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:34 pm to TigerStripes06
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one of the best performances by an LSU running back i've seen in a long time
you mean since the VT game?
KW against VT >>>>>>>>>>>> CS against UK
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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keiland doesn't "rarely" make a guy miss
I said he rarely makes a guy miss and picks up 25. Not just rarely makes a guy miss.
quote:you made it sound like he was averaging 25 yards/touch.
you make it sound like KW got nothing or 25,
quote:crucial.
keiland did get stuck 1-2 yards past the line and hester often got another yard or 2 out of the runs
quote:If he picks up 5 yards every carry, I'll take that all the way to the BCSCG.
if scott can consistently make guys at the 2nd level miss
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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with LSU moving to a spread option offense, running up the middle isn't as valuable
who says we are moving to a spread option offense?
there might be times when we line up in a spread formation and run the zone option, but i doubt we do it full time like rod's offense.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:43 pm to True Grit
I thought SFP was the one who was telling people last year that we are going to the "spread offense", not the "spread option offense". I agreed with that, but I guess he's changed his mind.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
i personally dgaf. we are DEEEEP at rb and that makes me happy
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean since the VT game?
KW against VT >>>>>>>>>>>> CS against UK
well thats easy to say...we won that game.
you may feel differently if we had won the UK game...but nonetheless, KW vs VT was pretty great.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:53 pm to Roaad
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better than Scott, that they assume KW has to be in the "doghouse" for Scott to pass him on the depth chart?
It will RB by committee...Scott will pound them in the first and second quarters...after opposing team's defenses are softened up, then KW and RM will come it and speed/quickness them to death.
I like it! And, it shows how smart Crowton and Miles are!
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:55 pm to Roaad
KW's problem is kinda like Bush's problem. Its either feast or famine with him. He doesn't run well between the tackles, therefore he can't keep his team in manageable down and distances. Way too many shoestring tackles on him also.
There's a big difference between 3rd and 6-8 vs. 3rd and 2-4, so 1-2 yds gains vs. 3-4 yds is huge. The offensive playbook is limited on 3rd and intermediate or 3rd and long, compared to 3rd and short. KW gives you a change of pace after pounding them with a power back, that's why he's more successful in certain situations.
There's a big difference between 3rd and 6-8 vs. 3rd and 2-4, so 1-2 yds gains vs. 3-4 yds is huge. The offensive playbook is limited on 3rd and intermediate or 3rd and long, compared to 3rd and short. KW gives you a change of pace after pounding them with a power back, that's why he's more successful in certain situations.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 12:58 pm to jdutch75
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KW's problem is kinda like Bush's problem.
no, LSU is has a pretty good run blocking offensive line
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He doesn't run well between the tackles
he did in 2006
Posted on 8/24/08 at 1:06 pm to TigerBait1127
The guy is not an inside runner. He likes running in space.
Wasn't referring to the O-line, talking about his running style. He is not a pounder, and tho he makes people miss, he doesn't break too many tackles. It takes a different mentality to run inside, and this is what I was referring to with the Bush comparison.
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LSU is has a pretty good run blocking offensive line
Wasn't referring to the O-line, talking about his running style. He is not a pounder, and tho he makes people miss, he doesn't break too many tackles. It takes a different mentality to run inside, and this is what I was referring to with the Bush comparison.
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