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re: Why are some fans wasting Simmons' entire tenure complaining about him?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:40 am to Scoob
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:40 am to Scoob
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Curious what Simmons' numbers would be, if LSU ran an efficient offense. Maybe 15, 8, 3?
more than likely better
I don't know how they would get worse
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:40 am to slackster
No you didn't you gave me Chris Paul's NBA player usage rate meaning that Ben Simmons has the ball in a college game almost as much is CP three has the ball in the NBA game.
You are dumb.
Ben is awesome, but he hasn't bought in and it shows.
You are dumb.
Ben is awesome, but he hasn't bought in and it shows.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:42 am to P bean
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Ben is awesome, but he hasn't bought in and it shows.
Bought into what exactly? We have no offensive identity, no semblance of half-court offense. What is he supposed to do?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:42 am to Scoob
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Not saying there is any conspiracy here, just pointing the obvious out. Curious what Simmons' numbers would be, if LSU ran an efficient offense. Maybe 15, 8, 3?
If LSU ran an efficient offense Simmons' numbers would be through the roof. He almost always makes the smart play. There are a ridiculous amount of times where he finds guys who get fouled or do something incredibly dumb with the ball.
Also, BS is more proficient on defensive rebounds than offensive boards, so long rebounds aren't much of his game in the first place. When you look at total rebound percentage and assist percentage, his numbers are inline with what you'd expect.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:43 am to atltiger6487
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Once again, the "youth" excuse DOES NOT APPLY in basketball.
Are you serious?
You're serious.
GTFO
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:44 am to P bean
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Simmons should not have a college game usage rate equal to the amount of time CP3 has it in a pro game which is longer.
Usage Rate is a percentage of team plays used by a player when he is on the floor. The length of the game is irrelevant, yet I'm the dumb one?
Your vitriol and lack of understanding of the game are a perfect example of this forum this year.
The frustration I get, but blaming undeniably our best player is ridiculous.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:47 am to slackster
Wow, I've gotten some good laughs reading this thread.
"He's a good rebounder, but he's no Dennis Rodman"
So he's not the greatest rebounder of all time? Gotcha.
"He's a good passer, but he's no Magic Johnson"
So he's not the greatest point guard of all time either? Ok.
I'm beginning to think some of you honestly thought this guy was going to come in and be the greatest basketball player of all time....as a 19 year old.
But maybe the funniest thing to me is how some of you sit there and pick his game apart and list the things he's bad at.....and then complain that he didn't carry the team to a better record. Hello? He is limited in what he can do! You all know it because you've pointed it out!
Also, not every player Has the competitiveness of Kobe or Michael Jordan. Early in his career, LeBron had many of the same criticisms as Ben. People said he was too passive, afraid to take the big shot, couldn't shoot from outside, etc. No one knows exactly how Ben's career will turn out. But Jesus, try to enjoy his game for what it is and stop projecting your unrealistic expectations on him.
"He's a good rebounder, but he's no Dennis Rodman"
So he's not the greatest rebounder of all time? Gotcha.
"He's a good passer, but he's no Magic Johnson"
So he's not the greatest point guard of all time either? Ok.
I'm beginning to think some of you honestly thought this guy was going to come in and be the greatest basketball player of all time....as a 19 year old.
But maybe the funniest thing to me is how some of you sit there and pick his game apart and list the things he's bad at.....and then complain that he didn't carry the team to a better record. Hello? He is limited in what he can do! You all know it because you've pointed it out!
Also, not every player Has the competitiveness of Kobe or Michael Jordan. Early in his career, LeBron had many of the same criticisms as Ben. People said he was too passive, afraid to take the big shot, couldn't shoot from outside, etc. No one knows exactly how Ben's career will turn out. But Jesus, try to enjoy his game for what it is and stop projecting your unrealistic expectations on him.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:47 am to Yunel Escobar
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What was LeBron's free throw game like at age 18-19? I see he was a .754% at 19 in the NBA Simmons is .668% That's the thing that frustrates me..
It frustrates me as well, but he is not the first or last PF to struggle at the line.
You know who is very likely going to be the #2 pick in the draft? Brandon Ingram, a freshman guard at Duke, who is averaging 68.1% from the free throw line.
Other notable FT%s from AP POY award winners:
Anthony Davis - 70.9%
Blake Griffin - 59.0%
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 650%
Tim Duncan - 63.6%
Simmons actually compares VERY favorably to Duncan as a freshman-sophomore, and still holds his own with Duncan as a junior/senior.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:48 am to RoboTiger
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Wow, I've gotten some good laughs reading this thread. "He's a good rebounder, but he's no Dennis Rodman" So he's not the greatest rebounder of all time? Gotcha. "He's a good passer, but he's no Magic Johnson" So he's not the greatest point guard of all time either? Ok.
I almost commented on that same post. Great point.
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But Jesus, try to enjoy his game for what it is and stop projecting your unrealistic expectations on him.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:53 am to Pnels08
Being weak and not having one at all is a big difference, defense just sag back on him real easy to stop him when it counts towards the end of the game. Just a hint of a jump shot would be all he would have needed.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:55 am to slackster
For the record, I don't place most of the blame on Simmons shoulders, that belongs to the head man who has had underachieving teams the past two years as well. I've just argued that there is some legitimacy to a few of the criticisms of the "once in a generation-type" player.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:00 pm to atltiger6487
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Once again, the "youth" excuse DOES NOT APPLY in basketball.
What? It most certainly does. There is a reason why its a big deal when Kentucky wins with a bunch of freshman.its because it doesnt happen.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:02 pm to slackster
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Simmons actually compares VERY favorably to Duncan
completely different players though
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:03 pm to Choupique19
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I've just argued that there is some legitimacy to a few of the criticisms of the "once in a generation-type" player.
Well sure, there are holes in his game, but that scouting report posted earlier is basically unchanged after a year at LSU. His outside game has work, but he is still incredibly smooth, which should bode well for him getting it corrected at the next level. This isn't Shaq at the free throw line or anything.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:06 pm to The Pirate King
Because some of us would rather a team than can make the NCAA tournament and not the "privilege" of watching the #1 pick in the NBA draft on a losing team.
There is no reason to keep JJ after this season. He was gifted what experts are calling the next "Lebron" and still underachieved.
There is no reason to keep JJ after this season. He was gifted what experts are calling the next "Lebron" and still underachieved.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:09 pm to Topwater Trout
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completely different players though
In areas, yes. Simmons is more point-forward than a traditional PF like Duncan. Like BS, Duncan was dominant on the boards, but his presence as a shot blocker is better than BS. Simmons has quicker hands and that shows up his ability to generate steals. BS is better in transition, while Duncan focused on the post game, but that game didn't come until he grew into his frame and worked on his shot. He certainly wasn't a handful in the post as a freshman/sophomore. BS already has the elite passing required to be part of a great inside-out game.
There are some similarities and differences, but the main thing is the frame and the potential as that frame fills out.
I use Duncan because he has become an efficient FT and jump shooter in the NBA, which is something this board thinks is impossible.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:17 pm to The Pirate King
Not saying I disagree, but there are certain expectations when you are the consensus #1 recruit coming out of high school and a sure fire "one and done."
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:19 pm to slackster
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That report is flawless, yet people on here want to blame BS as if it is his fault they were clueless to his weaknesses
Sorry. My mistake. That is acutually Lebron James' 2003 scouting report. Not Simmons'. Please carry on with the discussion of just how terrible he his and how he will never become a good NBA player
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:48 pm to Alt26
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That is acutually Lebron James' 2003 scouting report. Not Simmons'.
if that's true, that's a neat trick. But I knew something was suspect when that scouting report talked about 3 point shooting and 18-footers. Those are utterly nonexistent for Ben.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Once again, the "youth" excuse DOES NOT APPLY in basketball.
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What? It most certainly does. There is a reason why its a big deal when Kentucky wins with a bunch of freshman.its because it doesnt happen.
Kentucky, with their flood of 1-and-done players, wins frequently. They've made the Elite Eight 5 of the last 6 years. Made the Final Four 4 of the last 6.
Kentucky manages their "youth" pretty damn well. So do many other teams.
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