re: Who will admit O has exceeded expectations and is an upgrade from Les?

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Clemson last year played at A&M and plays USCe every year. Bama 2017 opened against top 5 FSU.
Clemson 2016 opened at Auburn.

Do I need to keep going?

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Most P5 teams get 4 non cons (except the P12) and you find a few examples of teams playing a decent OOC game.

Most likely half of all P5 teams don't even play one competitive OOC team.

Now, which hurts your chances to win a conference title more

Losing to Texas
Losing to Alabama

It's very simple.

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Basically had 4 favored teams lose the last two weeks that were ranked over us

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Well that’s just plain incorrect, Roger.

West Virginia was the only team that was ranked above us and was favored and lost, and it was just the championship weekend.


We lost the last game of the season, dropping to #7, which was BS to begin with.


1. West Virginia
2. Missouri
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia (2 losses)
5. Kansas
6. Virginia Tech (2 losses)
7. LSU (2 losses)


Missouri had already lost to Oklahoma and were underdogs again in the Big 12 CG, and they lost as expected.

Ohio State moved to #1 when both WV and Missouri lost, and we jumped 1 loss Kansas who was never getting into a title game, an idle UGA team that didn’t play in the SECCG (no Bama bias for Richt), and a V Tech team that we beat by 35 points earlier in the year after we won the SECCG.


LSU needed one upset, Pitt over WVU in a huge rivalry game.



And those are poll rankings btw, we never even dropped below Kansas or VT in the BCS rankings.

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It wouldn't stand out except we were the BCS NCs

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I don’t disagree that 2 losses was an aberration and wouldn’t have happened again, but the 2007 season was wildly popular and still celebrated as the year of the upset.

And we were undisputed as the best team in the nation, unlike 03 where we split the title and many didn’t believe we were the best team.

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wouldn't stand out except we were the BCS NCs

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Being undefeated in regulation does mean something. That team showed up every week and played great, again, unlike 03 where we laid a complete egg at home against a Zook team.


Regardless, we won the BCSCG, just like this part team deserves great praise for winning a NY6 Bowl we snuck into in an otherwise average 9-3 year, right Rog?

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But on the whole those two guys got better. So now you're limiting it to just the two bad guys to try to make your point.

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Miles didnt groom these two guys...they were experienced when they stepped foot on campus.

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They get lost in it being Troy

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I meant to say this earlier but I agree with you here. It’s way past time to get over Troy. All coaches loss games and all coaches have bad losses but over time those need to be put in perspective.

AT THE TIME it was a total disaster. There were legit questions about whether O was qualified for this job and after that game along with MSU it looked like he was in way over his head. To his credit he bounced back and won every game but 1 in the regular season starting with the come back on Auburn. Yeah it was fortunate to catch some really down SEC teams but you can only play who’s on the schedule And last year was a top 10 finish. The Troy loss doesn’t matter.

My point is Miles was here over a decade and never figured it completely out with the QBs.

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Les won a NC.

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so did larry coker

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right.....who's making the argument that he has?

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Everyone who's said he's "fixed" the QB position.

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AT THE TIME it was a total disaster.

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Yes it was but the sun still rose the next day.

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I think 97 im pretty sure they lost to FSU and then beat them for the title

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96 and yes they lost to FSU and beat them in the rematch. They also need help including a big upset to have a shot at the title game but only Les was “lucky” and backed into a title

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That’s a stupid response and you obviously didn’t read the rest of my post

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How Is it stupid? Everything after I agreed with...no need to act like a dick bc I didn’t address the rest of the post.